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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Quentin Perret <qperret@google.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 00/13] KVM: mm: fd-based approach for supporting KVM guest private memory
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2022 17:13:10 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YkHspg+YzOsbUaCf@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YjyS6A0o4JASQK+B@google.com>

On Thu, Mar 24, 2022, Quentin Perret wrote:
> For Protected KVM (and I suspect most other confidential computing
> solutions), guests have the ability to share some of their pages back
> with the host kernel using a dedicated hypercall. This is necessary
> for e.g. virtio communications, so these shared pages need to be mapped
> back into the VMM's address space. I'm a bit confused about how that
> would work with the approach proposed here. What is going to be the
> approach for TDX?
> 
> It feels like the most 'natural' thing would be to have a KVM exit
> reason describing which pages have been shared back by the guest, and to
> then allow the VMM to mmap those specific pages in response in the
> memfd. Is this something that has been discussed or considered?

The proposed solution is to exit to userspace with a new exit reason, KVM_EXIT_MEMORY_ERROR,
when the guest makes the hypercall to request conversion[1].  The private fd itself
will never allow mapping memory into userspace, instead userspace will need to punch
a hole in the private fd backing store.  The absense of a valid mapping in the private
fd is how KVM detects that a pfn is "shared" (memslots without a private fd are always
shared)[2].

The key point is that KVM never decides to convert between shared and private, it's
always a userspace decision.  Like normal memslots, where userspace has full control
over what gfns are a valid, this gives userspace full control over whether a gfn is
shared or private at any given time.

Another important detail is that this approach means the kernel and KVM treat the
shared backing store and private backing store as independent, albeit related,
entities.  This is very deliberate as it makes it easier to reason about what is
and isn't allowed/required.  E.g. the kernel only needs to handle freeing private
memory, there is no special handling for conversion to shared because no such path
exists as far as host pfns are concerned.  And userspace doesn't need any new "rules"
for protecting itself against a malicious guest, e.g. userspace already needs to
ensure that it has a valid mapping prior to accessing guest memory (or be able to
handle any resulting signals).  A malicious guest can DoS itself by instructing
userspace to communicate over memory that is currently mapped private, but there
are no new novel attack vectors from the host's perspective as coercing the host
into accessing an invalid mapping after shared=>private conversion is just a variant
of a use-after-free.

One potential conversions that's TBD (at least, I think it is, I haven't read through
this most recent version) is how to support populating guest private memory with
non-zero data, e.g. to allow in-place conversion of the initial guest firmware instead
of having to an extra memcpy().

[1] KVM will also exit to userspace with the same info on "implicit" conversions,
    i.e. if the guest accesses the "wrong" GPA.  Neither SEV-SNP nor TDX mandate
    explicit conversions in their guest<->host ABIs, so KVM has to support implicit
    conversions :-/

[2] Ideally (IMO), KVM would require userspace to completely remove the private memslot,
    but that's too slow due to use of SRCU in both KVM and userspace (QEMU at least uses
    SRCU for memslot changes).

  reply	other threads:[~2022-03-28 17:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 117+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-03-10 14:08 [PATCH v5 00/13] KVM: mm: fd-based approach for supporting KVM guest private memory Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:08 ` [PATCH v5 01/13] mm/memfd: Introduce MFD_INACCESSIBLE flag Chao Peng
2022-04-11 15:10   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-04-12 13:11     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-23  5:43   ` Vishal Annapurve
2022-04-24  8:15     ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 02/13] mm: Introduce memfile_notifier Chao Peng
2022-03-29 18:45   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-08 12:54     ` Chao Peng
     [not found]   ` <20220412143654.6313-1-hdanton@sina.com>
2022-04-13  6:47     ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 03/13] mm/shmem: Support memfile_notifier Chao Peng
2022-03-10 23:08   ` Dave Chinner
2022-03-11  8:42     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-11 15:26   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-04-12 13:12     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-19 22:40   ` Vishal Annapurve
2022-04-20  3:24     ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 04/13] mm/shmem: Restrict MFD_INACCESSIBLE memory against RLIMIT_MEMLOCK Chao Peng
2022-04-07 16:05   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-07 17:09     ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-08 17:56       ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-08 18:54         ` David Hildenbrand
2022-04-12 14:36           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-12 21:27             ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-13 16:30               ` David Hildenbrand
2022-04-13 16:24             ` David Hildenbrand
2022-04-13 17:52               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-25 14:07                 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-04-08 13:02     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-11 15:34       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-04-12  5:14         ` Hugh Dickins
2022-04-11 15:32     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-04-12 13:39       ` Chao Peng
2022-04-12 19:28         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-04-13  9:15           ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 05/13] KVM: Extend the memslot to support fd-based private memory Chao Peng
2022-03-28 21:27   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-08 13:21     ` Chao Peng
2022-03-28 21:56   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-08 13:46     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-08 17:45       ` Sean Christopherson
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 06/13] KVM: Use kvm_userspace_memory_region_ext Chao Peng
2022-03-28 22:26   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-08 13:58     ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 07/13] KVM: Add KVM_EXIT_MEMORY_ERROR exit Chao Peng
2022-03-28 22:33   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-08 13:59     ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 08/13] KVM: Use memfile_pfn_ops to obtain pfn for private pages Chao Peng
2022-03-28 23:56   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-08 14:07     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-28 12:37     ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 09/13] KVM: Handle page fault for private memory Chao Peng
2022-03-29  1:07   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-12 12:10     ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 10/13] KVM: Register private memslot to memory backing store Chao Peng
2022-03-29 19:01   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-12 12:40     ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 11/13] KVM: Zap existing KVM mappings when pages changed in the private fd Chao Peng
2022-03-29 19:23   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-12 12:43     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-05 23:45   ` Michael Roth
2022-04-08  3:06     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-19 22:43   ` Vishal Annapurve
2022-04-20  3:17     ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 12/13] KVM: Expose KVM_MEM_PRIVATE Chao Peng
2022-03-29 19:13   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-12 12:56     ` Chao Peng
2022-03-10 14:09 ` [PATCH v5 13/13] memfd_create.2: Describe MFD_INACCESSIBLE flag Chao Peng
2022-03-24 15:51 ` [PATCH v5 00/13] KVM: mm: fd-based approach for supporting KVM guest private memory Quentin Perret
2022-03-28 17:13   ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2022-03-28 18:00     ` Quentin Perret
2022-03-28 18:58       ` Sean Christopherson
2022-03-29 17:01         ` Quentin Perret
2022-03-30  8:58           ` Steven Price
2022-03-30 10:39             ` Quentin Perret
2022-03-30 17:58               ` Sean Christopherson
2022-03-31 16:04                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-01 14:59                   ` Quentin Perret
2022-04-01 17:14                     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-01 18:03                       ` Quentin Perret
2022-04-01 18:24                         ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-01 19:56                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-04 15:01                       ` Quentin Perret
2022-04-04 17:06                         ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-04 22:04                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-05 10:36                             ` Quentin Perret
2022-04-05 17:51                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-05 18:30                                 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-06 18:42                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-06 13:05                                 ` Quentin Perret
2022-04-05 18:03                               ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-06 10:34                                 ` Quentin Perret
2022-04-22 10:56                                 ` Chao Peng
2022-04-22 11:06                                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-04-24  8:07                                     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-24 16:59                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-25 13:40                                     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-25 14:52                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-25 20:30                                         ` Sean Christopherson
2022-06-10 19:18                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-06-10 19:27                                             ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-28 12:29                                         ` Chao Peng
2022-05-03 11:12                                           ` Quentin Perret
2022-05-09 22:30                                   ` Michael Roth
2022-05-09 23:29                                     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-07-21 20:05                                       ` Gupta, Pankaj
2022-07-21 21:19                                         ` Sean Christopherson
2022-07-21 21:36                                           ` Gupta, Pankaj
2022-07-23  3:09                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-07-25  9:19                                             ` Gupta, Pankaj
2022-03-30 16:18             ` Sean Christopherson
2022-03-28 20:16 ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-03-28 22:48   ` Nakajima, Jun
2022-03-29  0:04     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-08 21:35   ` Vishal Annapurve
2022-04-12 13:00     ` Chao Peng
2022-04-12 19:58   ` Kirill A. Shutemov

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