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From: Kevin Hilman <khilman@linaro.org>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>
Cc: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	Linux PM list <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Mika Westerberg <mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com>,
	Aaron Lu <aaron.lu@intel.com>,
	ACPI Devel Maling List <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/3] PM / sleep: Flag to speed up suspend-resume of runtime-suspended devices
Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 09:33:26 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7hha4vkld5.fsf@paris.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2529433.Aygp7Yxy87@vostro.rjw.lan> (Rafael J. Wysocki's message of "Sat, 10 May 2014 03:38:27 +0200")

"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> writes:

> On Friday, May 09, 2014 03:48:21 PM Kevin Hilman wrote:
>> "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> writes:
>> 
>> > From: Rafael J. Wysocki <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>
>> >
>> > Currently, some subsystems (e.g. PCI and the ACPI PM domain) have to
>> > resume all runtime-suspended devices during system suspend, mostly
>> > because those devices may need to be reprogrammed due to different
>> > wakeup settings for system sleep and for runtime PM.
>> >
>> > For some devices, though, it's OK to remain in runtime suspend 
>> > throughout a complete system suspend/resume cycle (if the device was in
>> > runtime suspend at the start of the cycle).  We would like to do this
>> > whenever possible, to avoid the overhead of extra power-up and power-down
>> > events.
>> >
>> > However, problems may arise because the device's descendants may require
>> > it to be at full power at various points during the cycle.  Therefore the
>> > most straightforward way to do this safely is if the device and all its
>> > descendants can remain runtime suspended until the resume stage of system
>> > resume.
>> >
>> > To this end, introduce dev->power.leave_runtime_suspended.
>> > If a subsystem or driver sets this flag during the ->prepare() callback,
>> > and if the flag is set in all of the device's descendants, and if the
>> > device is still in runtime suspend at the beginning of the ->suspend()
>> > callback, that callback is allowed to return 0 without clearing
>> > power.leave_runtime_suspended and without changing the state of the
>> > device, unless the current state of the device is not appropriate for
>> > the upcoming system sleep state (for example, the device is supposed to
>> > wake up the system from that state and its current wakeup settings are
>> > not suitable for that).  Then, the PM core will not invoke the device's
>> > ->suspend_late(), ->suspend_irq(), ->resume_irq(), ->resume_early(), or
>> > ->resume() callbacks.  
>> 
>> Up to here, this sounds great.
>> 
>> > Instead, it will invoke ->runtime_resume() during the device resume
>> > stage of system resume.
>> 
>> But this part I'm not fully following...
>
> You're not looking at the most recent one. :-)

Sorry about that, I haven't been able to keep up with the versions.

> Please look here: https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/4139181/

OK.  

>> > By leaving this flag set after ->suspend(), a driver or subsystem tells
>> > the PM core that the device is runtime suspended, it is in a suitable
>> > state for system suspend (for example, the wakeup setting does not
>> > need to be changed), and it does not need to return to full
>> > power until the resume stage.
>> 
>> But taking this "leave runtime suspended" idea the next logical step,
>> why would/should a device need to return to full power at the ->resume()
>> stage?  especially when it wasn't at full power when ->suspend()
>> happened?
>
> Good question and I've been thinking about that for a while.
>
> Generally, the main reason for resuming is that on some platforms devices are
> automatically powered up by firmware and in those cases it's better to
> resume them (to make the runtime PM status reflect the physical state) and
> suspend again later.
>
> Generally speaking, subsystems that need to do that know what they are and
> that's what I was talking about in the most recent reply to Alan:
>
> http://marc.info/?l=linux-pm&m=139967477806094&w=4
>
> Currently, I think, there are two options on the table really.
>
>  1. Do more or less what https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/4139181/ does
>     with a modification to check that ->suspend() doesn't "cheat" (by setting
>     the flag that had been unset before it was called).  The subsystem's
>     ->resume() would then decide what to do with the device (resume it or
>     leave it suspended).
>
>  2. Do what Alan was suggesting, that is set the flag in ->prepare() and
>     make the PM core skip *all* of the system suspend/resume callbacks
>     for devices with that flag set and let the ->complete() callback
>     decide what to do with the device.
>
> I'm leaning a bit towards 2, but still considering 1 too.

If it matters, I have a slight preference for 2 also, though as long as
the subsytem/device gets to decide whether to resume, I think I'm OK
with either approach.

Kevin


  reply	other threads:[~2014-05-12 16:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-01-14 23:12 [RFC][PATCH 0/3] PM: Mechanism to avoid resuming runtime-suspended devices during system suspend Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-01-14 23:13 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/3] PM / sleep: Flag to avoid executing suspend callbacks for devices Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-01-14 23:14 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/3] PM / runtime: Routine for checking device status during system suspend Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-01-16 13:32   ` Mika Westerberg
2014-01-16 16:07     ` [Update][RFC][PATCH " Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-01-14 23:16 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/3] ACPI / PM: Avoid resuming devices in ACPI PM domain " Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-01-15 13:57   ` [Update][RFC][PATCH " Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-02-16 23:49 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/3] PM: Mechanism to avoid resuming runtime-suspended devices " Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-02-16 23:50   ` [PATCH 1/3] PM / sleep: New flag to speed up suspend-resume of suspended devices Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-02-18 12:59     ` Ulf Hansson
2014-02-18 13:25       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-02-19 17:01     ` Alan Stern
2014-02-20  1:23       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-02-20  1:42         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-02-20 17:03         ` Alan Stern
2014-02-24  0:00           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-02-24 19:36             ` Alan Stern
2014-02-25  0:07               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-02-25 17:08                 ` Alan Stern
2014-02-25 23:56                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-02-26 16:49                     ` Alan Stern
2014-02-26 21:44                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-02-26 22:17                         ` Alan Stern
2014-02-26 23:13                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-02-27 15:02                             ` Alan Stern
2014-04-24 22:36                               ` [RFC][PATCH 0/3] PM: Mechanism to avoid resuming runtime-suspended devices during system suspend, v2 Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-04-24 22:37                                 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/3] PM / sleep: Flags to speed up suspend-resume of runtime-suspended devices Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-01 21:39                                   ` Alan Stern
2014-05-01 23:15                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-01 23:36                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-02  0:04                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-02 15:41                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-02 18:44                                             ` Alan Stern
2014-05-05  0:09                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-05 15:46                                                 ` Alan Stern
2014-05-06  1:31                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-06 19:31                                                     ` Alan Stern
2014-05-07  0:36                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-07 15:43                                                         ` Alan Stern
2014-05-07 23:27                                                           ` [RFC][PATCH 0/3] (was: Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/3] PM / sleep: Flags to speed up suspend-resume of runtime-suspended devices) Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-07 23:29                                                             ` [RFC][PATCH 1/3] PM / sleep: Flag to speed up suspend-resume of runtime-suspended devices Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-08  7:49                                                               ` Ulf Hansson
2014-05-08 10:53                                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-08 10:59                                                                   ` Ulf Hansson
2014-05-08 11:44                                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-08 12:25                                                                       ` Ulf Hansson
2014-05-08 20:02                                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-08 14:36                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2014-05-08 14:57                                                               ` Alan Stern
2014-05-08 20:17                                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-08 21:03                                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-08 21:20                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2014-05-08 21:42                                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-08 21:50                                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-08 22:28                                                                           ` [RFC][PATCH 0/3] (was: Re: PM / sleep: Flag to speed up suspend-resume of runtime-suspended devices) Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-08 22:41                                                                             ` [RFC][PATCH 1/3] PM / sleep: Flag to speed up suspend-resume of runtime-suspended devices Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-09  7:23                                                                               ` Ulf Hansson
2014-05-09 11:33                                                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-08 22:41                                                                             ` [RFC][PATCH 2/3] PM / runtime: Routine for checking device status during system suspend Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-08 22:42                                                                             ` [RFC][PATCH 3/3] ACPI / PM: Avoid resuming devices in ACPI PM domain " Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-09  1:52                                                                           ` [RFC][PATCH 1/3] PM / sleep: Flag to speed up suspend-resume of runtime-suspended devices Alan Stern
2014-05-09 22:49                                                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-11 16:46                                                                               ` Alan Stern
2014-05-13  0:51                                                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-08 21:08                                                                   ` Alan Stern
2014-05-09 22:48                                                               ` Kevin Hilman
2014-05-10  1:38                                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-12 16:33                                                                   ` Kevin Hilman [this message]
2014-05-07 23:31                                                             ` [Resend][PATCH 2/3] PM / runtime: Routine for checking device status during system suspend Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-07 23:33                                                             ` [RFC][PATCH 3/3] ACPI / PM: Avoid resuming devices in ACPI PM domain " Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-08 14:59                                                               ` Alan Stern
2014-05-08 19:40                                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-05-02 16:12                                         ` [RFC][PATCH 1/3] PM / sleep: Flags to speed up suspend-resume of runtime-suspended devices Alan Stern
2014-04-24 22:39                                 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/3][Resend] PM / runtime: Routine for checking device status during system suspend Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-04-25 11:28                                   ` Ulf Hansson
2014-04-24 22:40                                 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/3] ACPI / PM: Avoid resuming devices in ACPI PM domain " Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-02-16 23:51   ` [PATCH 2/3][Resend] PM / runtime: Routine for checking device status " Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-02-16 23:52   ` [PATCH 3/3] ACPI / PM: Avoid resuming devices in ACPI PM domain " Rafael J. Wysocki

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