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From: Marc Zyngier <marc.zyngier@arm.com>
To: "Liuwenliang \(Abbott Liu\)" <liuwenliang@huawei.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/11] Initialize the mapping of KASan shadow memory
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 14:40:40 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87375eqobb.fsf@on-the-bus.cambridge.arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <B8AC3E80E903784988AB3003E3E97330C006371B@dggemm510-mbs.china.huawei.com> (liuwenliang@huawei.com's message of "Thu, 16 Nov 2017 14:24:31 +0000")

On Thu, Nov 16 2017 at  2:24:31 pm GMT, "Liuwenliang (Abbott Liu)" <liuwenliang@huawei.com> wrote:
> On 16/11/17  17:54 Marc Zyngier [mailto:marc.zyngier@arm.com] wrote:
>>On Thu, Nov 16 2017 at 3:07:54 am GMT, "Liuwenliang (Abbott Liu)"
>> <liuwenliang@huawei.com> wrote:
>>>>On 15/11/17 13:16, Liuwenliang (Abbott Liu) wrote:
>>>>> On 09/11/17  18:36 Marc Zyngier [mailto:marc.zyngier@arm.com] wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 15 2017 at 10:20:02 am GMT, "Liuwenliang (Abbott Liu)"
>>>>>> <liuwenliang@huawei.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> diff --git a/arch/arm/include/asm/cp15.h
>>>>>>> b/arch/arm/include/asm/cp15.h index dbdbce1..6db1f51 100644
>>>>>>> --- a/arch/arm/include/asm/cp15.h
>>>>>>> +++ b/arch/arm/include/asm/cp15.h
>>>>>>> @@ -64,6 +64,43 @@
>>>>>>>  #define __write_sysreg(v, r, w, c, t) asm volatile(w " " c : :
>>>>>>> "r" ((t)(v)))
>>>>>>>  #define write_sysreg(v, ...)           __write_sysreg(v, __VA_ARGS__)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> +#ifdef CONFIG_ARM_LPAE
>>>>>>> +#define TTBR0           __ACCESS_CP15_64(0, c2)
>>>>>>> +#define TTBR1           __ACCESS_CP15_64(1, c2)
>>>>>>> +#define PAR             __ACCESS_CP15_64(0, c7)
>>>>>>> +#else
>>>>>>> +#define TTBR0           __ACCESS_CP15(c2, 0, c0, 0)
>>>>>>> +#define TTBR1           __ACCESS_CP15(c2, 0, c0, 1)
>>>>>>> +#define PAR             __ACCESS_CP15(c7, 0, c4, 0)
>>>>>>> +#endif
>>>>>> Again: there is no point in not having these register encodings
>>>>>> cohabiting. They are both perfectly defined in the architecture.
>>>>>> Just suffix one (or even both) with their respective size, making
>>>>>> it obvious which one you're talking about.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am sorry that I didn't point why I need to define TTBR0/ TTBR1/PAR
>>>>> in to different way between CONFIG_ARM_LPAE and non CONFIG_ARM_LPAE.
>>>>> The following description is the reason:
>>>>> Here is the description come from
>>>>> DDI0406C2c_arm_architecture_reference_manual.pdf:
>>>>[...]
>>>>
>>>>You're missing the point. TTBR0 existence as a 64bit CP15 register has
>>>>nothing to do the kernel being compiled with LPAE or not. It has
>>>>everything to do with the HW supporting LPAE, and it is the kernel's job
>>>>to use the right accessor depending on how it is compiled. On a CPU
>>>>supporting LPAE, both TTBR0 accessors are valid. It is the kernel that
>>>>chooses to use one rather than the other.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your review.  I don't think both TTBR0 accessors(64bit
>>> accessor and 32bit accessor) are valid on a CPU supporting LPAE which
>>> the LPAE is enabled. Here is the description come form
>>> DDI0406C2c_arm_architecture_reference_manual.pdf (=ARM® Architecture
>>> Reference Manual ARMv7-A and ARMv7-R edition) which you can get the
>>> document by google "ARM® Architecture Reference Manual ARMv7-A and
>>> ARMv7-R edition".
>
>>Trust me, from where I seat, I have a much better source than Google for
>>that document. Who would have thought?
>
>>Nothing in what you randomly quote invalids what I've been saying. And
>>to show you what's wrong with your reasoning, let me describe a
>>scenario,
>
>>I have a non-LPAE kernel that runs on my system. It uses the 32bit
>>version of the TTBRs. It turns out that this kernel runs under a
>>hypervisor (KVM, Xen, or your toy of the day). The hypervisor
>>context-switches vcpus without even looking at whether the configuration
>>of that guest. It doesn't have to care. It just blindly uses the 64bit
>>version of the TTBRs.
>
>>The architecture *guarantees* that it works (it even works with a 32bit
>>guest under a 64bit hypervisor). In your world, this doesn't work. I
>>guess the architecture wins.
>
>>> So, I think if you access TTBR0/TTBR1 on CPU supporting LPAE, you must
>>> use "mcrr/mrrc" instruction (__ACCESS_CP15_64). If you access
>>> TTBR0/TTBR1 on CPU supporting LPAE by "mcr/mrc" instruction which is
>>> 32bit version (__ACCESS_CP15), even if the CPU doesn't report error,
>>> you also lose the high or low 32bit of the TTBR0/TTBR1.
>
>>It is not about "supporting LPAE". It is about using the accessor that
>>makes sense in a particular context. Yes, the architecture allows you to
>>do something stupid. Don't do it. It doesn't mean the accessors cannot
>>be used, and I hope that my example above demonstrates it.
>
>>Conclusion: I still stand by my request that both versions of TTBRs/PAR
>>are described without depending on the kernel configuration, because
>>this has nothing to do with the kernel configuration.
>
> Thanks for your reviews.
> Yes, you are right. I have tested that "mcrr/mrrc" instruction
> (__ACCESS_CP15_64) can work on non LPAE on vexpress_a9.

No, it doesn't. It cannot work, because Cortex-A9 predates the invention
of the 64bit accessor. I suspect that you are testing stuff in QEMU,
which is giving you a SW model that always supports LPAE. I suggest you
test this code on *real* HW, and not only on QEMU.

What I have said is:

- If the CPU supports LPAE, then both 32 and 64bit accessors work
- If the CPU doesn't support LPAE, then only the 32bit accssor work
- In both cases, that's a function of the CPU, and not of the kernel
  configuration.
- Both accessors can be safely defined as long as we ensure that they
  are used in the right context.

> Here is the code I tested on vexpress_a9 and vexpress_a15:
> --- a/arch/arm/include/asm/cp15.h
> +++ b/arch/arm/include/asm/cp15.h
> @@ -64,6 +64,56 @@
>  #define __write_sysreg(v, r, w, c, t)  asm volatile(w " " c : : "r" ((t)(v)))
>  #define write_sysreg(v, ...)           __write_sysreg(v, __VA_ARGS__)
>
> +#define TTBR0           __ACCESS_CP15_64(0, c2)
> +#define TTBR1           __ACCESS_CP15_64(1, c2)
> +#define PAR             __ACCESS_CP15_64(0, c7)

You still need to add the 32bit accessors.

	M.
-- 
Jazz is not dead, it just smell funny.

  reply	other threads:[~2017-11-16 14:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-10-11  8:22 [PATCH 00/11] KASan for arm Abbott Liu
2017-10-11  8:22 ` [PATCH 01/11] Initialize the mapping of KASan shadow memory Abbott Liu
2017-10-11 19:39   ` Florian Fainelli
2017-10-11 21:41     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-10-17 13:28       ` Liuwenliang (Lamb)
2017-10-11 23:42   ` Dmitry Osipenko
2017-10-19  6:52     ` Liuwenliang (Lamb)
2017-10-19 12:01     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-10-12  7:58   ` Marc Zyngier
2017-11-09  7:46     ` Liuwenliang (Abbott Liu)
2017-11-09 10:10       ` Marc Zyngier
2017-11-15 10:20         ` Liuwenliang (Abbott Liu)
2017-11-15 10:35           ` Marc Zyngier
2017-11-15 13:16             ` Liuwenliang (Abbott Liu)
2017-11-15 13:54               ` Marc Zyngier
2017-11-16  3:07                 ` Liuwenliang (Abbott Liu)
2017-11-16  9:54                   ` Marc Zyngier
2017-11-16 14:24                     ` Liuwenliang (Abbott Liu)
2017-11-16 14:40                       ` Marc Zyngier [this message]
2017-11-17  1:39                         ` 答复: " Liuwenliang (Abbott Liu)
2017-11-17  7:18                         ` Liuwenliang (Abbott Liu)
2017-11-17  7:35                           ` Christoffer Dall
2017-11-18 10:40                             ` Liuwenliang (Abbott Liu)
2017-11-18 13:48                               ` Marc Zyngier
     [not found]                                 ` <B8AC3E80E903784988AB3003E3E97330C0068F12@dggemm510-mbx.china.huawei.com>
2017-11-21  9:40                                   ` 答复: " Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-11-21  9:46                                   ` Marc Zyngier
2017-11-21 12:29                                   ` Mark Rutland
2017-11-22 12:56                                     ` Liuwenliang (Abbott Liu)
2017-11-22 13:06                                       ` Marc Zyngier
2017-11-23  1:54                                         ` Liuwenliang (Abbott Liu)
2017-11-23 15:22                                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-11-27  1:23                                             ` Liuwenliang (Abbott Liu)
2017-11-23 15:31                                       ` Mark Rutland
2017-10-19 11:09   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-02-24 14:28     ` Liuwenliang (Abbott Liu)
2017-10-11  8:22 ` [PATCH 02/11] replace memory function Abbott Liu
2017-10-19 12:05   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-10-11  8:22 ` [PATCH 03/11] arm: Kconfig: enable KASan Abbott Liu
2017-10-11 19:15   ` Florian Fainelli
2017-10-19 12:34     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-10-22 12:27       ` Liuwenliang (Lamb)
2017-10-11  8:22 ` [PATCH 04/11] Define the virtual space of KASan's shadow region Abbott Liu
2017-10-14 11:41   ` kbuild test robot
2017-10-16 11:42     ` Liuwenliang (Lamb)
2017-10-16 12:14       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2017-10-17 11:27         ` Liuwenliang (Lamb)
2017-10-17 11:52           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2017-10-17 13:02             ` Liuwenliang (Lamb)
2017-10-19 12:43           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-10-22 12:12             ` Liuwenliang (Lamb)
2017-10-19 12:41         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-10-19 12:40       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-10-11  8:22 ` [PATCH 05/11] Disable kasan's instrumentation Abbott Liu
2017-10-11 19:16   ` Florian Fainelli
2017-10-19 12:47   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-11-15 10:19     ` Liuwenliang (Abbott Liu)
2017-10-11  8:22 ` [PATCH 06/11] change memory_is_poisoned_16 for aligned error Abbott Liu
2017-10-11 23:23   ` Andrew Morton
2017-10-12  7:16     ` Dmitry Vyukov
2017-10-12 11:27       ` Liuwenliang (Lamb)
2017-10-19 12:51         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-12-05 14:19           ` Liuwenliang (Abbott Liu)
2017-12-05 17:08             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-01-16  8:39               ` Liuwenliang (Abbott Liu)
2017-10-11  8:22 ` [PATCH 07/11] Avoid cleaning the KASan shadow area's mapping table Abbott Liu
2017-10-11  8:22 ` [PATCH 08/11] Add support arm LPAE Abbott Liu
2017-10-11  8:22 ` [PATCH 09/11] Don't need to map the shadow of KASan's shadow memory Abbott Liu
2017-10-19 12:55   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-10-22 12:31     ` Liuwenliang (Lamb)
2017-10-11  8:22 ` [PATCH 10/11] Change mapping of kasan_zero_page int readonly Abbott Liu
2017-10-11 19:19   ` Florian Fainelli
2017-10-11  8:22 ` [PATCH 11/11] Add KASan layout Abbott Liu
2017-10-11 19:13 ` [PATCH 00/11] KASan for arm Florian Fainelli
2017-10-11 19:50   ` Florian Fainelli
2017-10-11 21:36     ` Florian Fainelli
2017-10-11 22:10       ` Laura Abbott
2017-10-11 22:58         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-10-17 12:41           ` Liuwenliang (Lamb)
2017-10-12  4:55       ` Liuwenliang (Lamb)
2017-10-12  7:38 ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-10-17  1:04   ` 答复: " Liuwenliang (Lamb)
2018-02-13 18:40 ` Florian Fainelli
2018-02-23  2:10   ` Liuwenliang (Abbott Liu)

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