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From: Rasmus Villemoes <linux@rasmusvillemoes.dk>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Khalid Aziz <khalid.aziz@oracle.com>,
	tglx@linutronix.de, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	peterz@infradead.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	andi.kleen@intel.com, rob@landley.net, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk,
	oleg@redhat.com, venki@google.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] [PATCH] Pre-emption control for userspace
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2014 14:24:43 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ob1jbgtg.fsf@rasmusvillemoes.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <531641A8.40306@zytor.com> (H. Peter Anvin's message of "Tue, 04 Mar 2014 13:12:08 -0800")

"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com> writes:

> I have several issues with this interface:
>
> 1. First, a process needs to know if it *should* have been preempted
> before it calls sched_yield().  So there needs to be a second flag set
> by the scheduler when granting amnesty.
>
> 2. A process which fails to call sched_yield() after being granted
> amnesty must be penalized.
>
> 3. I'm not keen on occupying a full page for this.  I'm wondering if
> doing a pointer into user space, futex-style, might make more sense.
> The downside, of course, is what happens if the page being pointed to is
> swapped out.

Is it possible to implement non-sleeping versions of {get,put}_user()?
That is, use the same basic approach (let the MMU do the hard work) but use
different, and simpler, "fixup" code (return -ESOMETHING on a major
fault).

If so, I think an extra pointer (->amnesty) and an extra bit
(->amnesty_granted) in task_struct suffices:

If the scheduler runs and tsk->amnesty_granted is true, penalize the
current task (and possibly clear tsk->amnesty_granted).

Otherwise, the task is granted amnesty provided these conditions are
met:

tsk->amnesty is non-NULL
get_user_nosleep(j, tsk->amnesty) succeeds
j is now 1
put_user_nosleep(YOU_WERE_LUCKY, tsk->amnesty) succeeds

If so, set amnesty_granted and let the thread continue; otherwise reschedule.

The userspace side would be something like

void *thread_func(void*)
{
     int Im_busy = 0;
     sched_need_amnesty(&Im_busy); /* better name needed */
     /* -EPERM if not allowed (new capability?) */

     /* go critical */
     Im_busy = 1;
     LOCK();
     do_stuff();
     UNLOCK();
     if (Im_busy != 1) {
          /* better play nice with the others */
          sched_yield();
     }
     Im_busy = 0;

     /* If the thread doesn't need the amnesty feature anymore, it can just do
     sched_need_amnesty(NULL); */
}


Rasmus

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-03-06 13:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-03-03 18:07 [RFC] [PATCH] Pre-emption control for userspace Khalid Aziz
2014-03-03 21:51 ` Davidlohr Bueso
2014-03-03 23:29   ` Khalid Aziz
2014-03-04 13:56 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-03-04 17:44   ` Khalid Aziz
2014-03-04 18:38     ` Al Viro
2014-03-04 19:01       ` Khalid Aziz
2014-03-04 19:03     ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-03-04 20:14       ` Khalid Aziz
2014-03-05 14:38         ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-03-05 16:12           ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-03-05 17:10             ` Khalid Aziz
2014-03-04 21:12 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-03-04 21:39   ` Khalid Aziz
2014-03-04 22:23     ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-03-04 22:44       ` Khalid Aziz
2014-03-05  0:39         ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-03-05  0:51           ` Andi Kleen
2014-03-05 11:10             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-03-05 17:29               ` Khalid Aziz
2014-03-05 19:58               ` Khalid Aziz
2014-03-06  9:57                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-03-06 16:08                   ` Khalid Aziz
2014-03-06 11:14                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-03-06 16:32                   ` Khalid Aziz
2014-03-05 14:54             ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-03-05 15:56               ` Andi Kleen
2014-03-05 16:36                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-03-05 17:22                   ` Khalid Aziz
2014-03-05 23:13                     ` David Lang
2014-03-05 23:48                       ` Khalid Aziz
2014-03-05 23:56                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-03-06  0:02                           ` Khalid Aziz
2014-03-06  0:13                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-03-05 23:59                         ` David Lang
2014-03-06  0:17                           ` Khalid Aziz
2014-03-06  0:36                             ` David Lang
2014-03-06  1:22                               ` Khalid Aziz
2014-03-06 14:23                                 ` David Lang
2014-03-06 12:13             ` Kevin Easton
2014-03-06 13:59               ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-03-06 22:41                 ` Andi Kleen
2014-03-06 14:25               ` David Lang
2014-03-06 16:12                 ` Khalid Aziz
2014-03-06 13:24   ` Rasmus Villemoes [this message]
2014-03-06 13:34     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-03-06 13:45       ` Rasmus Villemoes
2014-03-06 14:02         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-03-06 14:33           ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-03-06 14:34             ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-03-06 14:04         ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-03-25 17:17 ` [PATCH v2] " Khalid Aziz
2014-03-25 17:44   ` Andrew Morton
2014-03-25 17:56     ` Khalid Aziz
2014-03-25 18:14       ` Andrew Morton
2014-03-25 17:46   ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-03-25 17:59     ` Khalid Aziz
2014-03-25 18:20   ` Andi Kleen
2014-03-25 18:47     ` Khalid Aziz
2014-03-25 19:47       ` Andi Kleen
2014-03-25 18:59   ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-03-25 19:15     ` Khalid Aziz
2014-03-25 20:31       ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-03-25 21:37         ` Khalid Aziz
2014-03-26  6:03     ` Mike Galbraith
2014-03-25 23:01 ` [RFC] [PATCH] " Davidlohr Bueso
2014-03-25 23:29   ` Khalid Aziz

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