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From: Baokun Li <libaokun1@huawei.com>
To: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>, <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>,
	<adilger.kernel@dilger.ca>, <ritesh.list@gmail.com>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <jun.nie@linaro.org>,
	<ebiggers@kernel.org>, <yi.zhang@huawei.com>,
	<yangerkun@huawei.com>, <yukuai3@huawei.com>,
	<syzbot+a158d886ca08a3fecca4@syzkaller.appspotmail.com>,
	Baokun Li <libaokun1@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] ext4: fix race condition between buffer write and page_mkwrite
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2024 22:07:42 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <96557c0e-7db4-856c-40eb-e51ca138883b@huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240415123405.htw6vqbzsb3speor@quack3>

On 2024/4/15 20:34, Jan Kara wrote:
> On Mon 15-04-24 12:28:01, Baokun Li wrote:
>> On 2023/6/5 23:08, Jan Kara wrote:
>>> On Mon 05-06-23 15:55:35, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
>>>> On Mon, Jun 05, 2023 at 02:21:41PM +0200, Jan Kara wrote:
>>>>> On Mon 05-06-23 11:16:55, Jan Kara wrote:
>>>>>> Yeah, I agree, that is also the conclusion I have arrived at when thinking
>>>>>> about this problem now. We should be able to just remove the conversion
>>>>>> from ext4_page_mkwrite() and rely on write(2) or truncate(2) doing it when
>>>>>> growing i_size.
>>>>> OK, thinking more about this and searching through the history, I've
>>>>> realized why the conversion is originally in ext4_page_mkwrite(). The
>>>>> problem is described in commit 7b4cc9787fe35b ("ext4: evict inline data
>>>>> when writing to memory map") but essentially it boils down to the fact that
>>>>> ext4 writeback code does not expect dirty page for a file with inline data
>>>>> because ext4_write_inline_data_end() should have copied the data into the
>>>>> inode and cleared the folio's dirty flag.
>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed messing with xattrs from the writeback path to copy page contents
>>>>> into inline data xattr would be ... interesting. Hum, out of good ideas for
>>>>> now :-|.
>>>> Is it so bad?  Now that we don't have writepage in ext4, only
>>>> writepages, it seems like we have a considerably more benign locking
>>>> environment to work in.
>>> Well, yes, without ->writepage() it might be *possible*. But still rather
>>> ugly. The problem is that in ->writepages() i_size is not stable. Thus also
>>> whether the inode data is inline or not is not stable. We'd need inode_lock
>>> for that but that is not easily doable in the writeback path - inode lock
>>> would then become fs_reclaim unsafe...
>>>
>>> 								Honza
>> Hi Honza!
>> Hi Ted!
>> Hi Matthew!
>>
>> Long time later came back to this, because while discussing another similar
>> ABBA problem with Hou Tao, he mentioned VM_FAULT_RETRY, and then I
>> thought that this could be used to solve this problem as well.
>>
>> The general idea is that if we see a file with inline data in
>> ext4_page_mkwrite(),
>> we release the mmap_lock and grab the inode_lock to convert the inline data,
>> and then return VM_FAULT_RETRY to retry to get the mmap_lock.
>>
>> The code implementation is as follows, do you have any thoughts?
> So the problem with this is that VM_FAULT_RETRY is not always an option -
> in particular the caller has to set FAULT_FLAG_ALLOW_RETRY to indicate it
> is prepared to handle VM_FAULT_RETRY return. See how
> maybe_unlock_mmap_for_io() is carefully checking this.
Yes, at least we need to check for FAULT_FLAG_RETRY_NOWAIT.
> There are callers
> (most notably some get_user_pages() users) that don't set
> FAULT_FLAG_ALLOW_RETRY so the escape through VM_FAULT_RETRY is sadly not a
> reliable solution.
It is indeed sad.  I'm going to go learn more about the code for
FAULT_FLAG_ALLOW_RETRY.
> My long-term wish is we were always allowed to use VM_FAULT_RETRY and that
> was actually what motivated some get_user_pages() cleanups I did couple
> years ago. But dealing with all the cases in various drivers was too
> difficult and I've run out of time. Now maybe it would be worth it to
> revisit this since things have changed noticeably and maybe now it would be
> easier to achive the goal...
>
> 								Honza
That sounds like a great idea. I will try to get the history on it and
then come back.

Thank you very much for your patient explanation!
-- 
With Best Regards,
Baokun Li
.

  reply	other threads:[~2024-04-15 14:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-30 13:44 [PATCH v2] ext4: fix race condition between buffer write and page_mkwrite Baokun Li
2023-05-31 13:15 ` Jan Kara
2023-06-04  3:04 ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-06-04 21:08   ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-06-05  1:58     ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-06-05  9:16       ` Jan Kara
2023-06-05 12:21         ` Jan Kara
2023-06-05 14:55           ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-06-05 15:08             ` Jan Kara
2023-06-06 12:19               ` Baokun Li
2024-04-15  4:28               ` Baokun Li
2024-04-15 12:34                 ` Jan Kara
2024-04-15 14:07                   ` Baokun Li [this message]
2023-06-05  2:17   ` Baokun Li

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