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From: "Trenton D. Adams" <trenton.d.adams@gmail.com>
To: David Rees <drees76@gmail.com>
Cc: Christian Kujau <lists@nerdbynature.de>,
	Artem Bityutskiy <Artem.Bityutskiy@nokia.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: EXT4-ish "fixes" in UBIFS
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 20:26:01 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9b1675090904021926o4a404c3ajf623b1560f919289@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <72dbd3150904021855v440f46a7oc21a7ed28fbfcb13@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 7:55 PM, David Rees <drees76@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Trenton D. Adams
> <trenton.d.adams@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Trenton D. Adams
>> <trenton.d.adams@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Yes, mounting "-o sync" does improve ext3 performance.  It sucks
>>> though, because I do want quick writes.  And mounting with sync option
>>> slows down to disk io speeds.  In my case, that's between 20 and 23
>>> megabytes per second *big frown, quivering lip, and tears in my eyes*.
>>> :P
>>>
>>
>> Oh, I should have clarified.  It improves performance under heavy
>> load.  Under normal load, mounting without sync is fine.  What I tend
>> to do is mount with "remount,rw,sync" when heavy load is starting.
>> Then my system goes slowly, but latency is good.  Then, when it's all
>> done (say a big compile, or job, or whatever), I remount without sync
>> again.
>>
>> I'm thinking of writing a script that monitors performance, and
>> remounts as needed, lol.  WHAT A HACK. hehe.
>
> All you're doing here is implementing the lowering of dirty data
> limits in the VM dynamically based on how long fsyncs take.
>
> Linus outlined this specific strategy as "the ideal siutation"
> somewhere in the depths of "That filesystem thread".
>
> Look at the new in 2.6.29 dirty*bytes parameters in
> Documentation/sysctl/vm.txt for more info.  By lowering those values,
> you can effectively turn normal writes into synchronous writes which
> will greatly reduce latency of fsync under heavy write load.

WOW, that makes a huge difference.  If I set it to 100M, I get the
10-15 second delay I was talking about.  But, if I set it to 1M, I get
0.3 to 0.4 second delay on a 1M fsync.  That is way better.  Perhaps I
should auto-tune based on that parameter then.  Although I do agree
with Linus that it sucks to do userland auto-tuning. :P

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-04-03  2:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-27 12:48 EXT4-ish "fixes" in UBIFS Artem Bityutskiy
2009-03-28  1:22 ` Kyungmin Park
2009-03-29 12:31   ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-03-29 12:54     ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-03-29 12:26 ` replace() system call needed (was Re: EXT4-ish "fixes" in UBIFS) Pavel Machek
2009-03-29 12:42   ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-03-29 12:50     ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-29 13:00       ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-03-29 13:02         ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-29 13:07           ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-03-29 13:22             ` Andreas T.Auer
2009-03-29 13:55               ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-03-29 13:40             ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-29 13:57               ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-03-29 14:00                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-30 17:19       ` Ric Wheeler
2009-03-30 22:11         ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-29 13:01     ` Andreas T.Auer
2009-03-29 13:06       ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-03-30 15:58   ` Diego Calleja
2009-04-03  0:09 ` EXT4-ish "fixes" in UBIFS Christian Kujau
2009-04-03  0:24   ` Trenton D. Adams
2009-04-03  0:28     ` Trenton D. Adams
2009-04-03  0:38       ` Christian Kujau
2009-04-03  0:54         ` Trenton D. Adams
2009-04-03  0:54         ` Trenton D. Adams
2009-04-03  0:59           ` Trenton D. Adams
2009-04-03  1:55       ` David Rees
2009-04-03  2:05         ` Trenton D. Adams
2009-04-03  2:19           ` David Rees
2009-04-03  2:28             ` Trenton D. Adams
2009-04-03  2:58               ` David Rees
2009-04-03  3:13                 ` Trenton D. Adams
2009-04-03  3:14                   ` Trenton D. Adams
2009-04-03  5:02                 ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-03  5:15                   ` Trenton D. Adams
2009-04-03  6:30                     ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-03 18:53                       ` Chris Adams
2009-04-03 18:05                   ` David Rees
2009-04-09 20:17                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-04-03  2:26         ` Trenton D. Adams [this message]
2009-04-03  2:05   ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-03  2:45     ` Christian Kujau
2009-04-03  2:49       ` Trenton D. Adams
2009-04-03  6:53   ` Artem Bityutskiy
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