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From: "Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@intel.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>, Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>
Cc: Jean-Philippe Brucker <jean-philippe@linaro.org>,
	Nicolin Chen <nicolinc@nvidia.com>,
	"will@kernel.org" <will@kernel.org>,
	"eric.auger@redhat.com" <eric.auger@redhat.com>,
	"baolu.lu@linux.intel.com" <baolu.lu@linux.intel.com>,
	"joro@8bytes.org" <joro@8bytes.org>,
	"shameerali.kolothum.thodi@huawei.com" 
	<shameerali.kolothum.thodi@huawei.com>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org" 
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	"iommu@lists.linux.dev" <iommu@lists.linux.dev>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Liu, Yi L" <yi.l.liu@intel.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH v1 02/14] iommufd: Add nesting related data structures for ARM SMMUv3
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2023 10:10:30 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <BN9PR11MB5276583A882BFDF84D0015668CBD9@BN9PR11MB5276.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZAtUyMGIGsl64vM0@nvidia.com>

> From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2023 12:03 AM
> 
> On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 03:57:27PM +0000, Robin Murphy wrote:
> 
> > about the nitty-gritty of all the IOMMU-specific moving parts around it. For
> > guests that want to get into more advanced stuff like managing their own
> > PASID tables, pushing them towards "native" nesting probably does make
> more
> > sense.
> 
> IMHO with the simplified virtio model I would say the guest should
> not have its own PASID table.
> 
> hyper trap to install a PASID and let the hypervisor driver handle
> this abstractly. If abstractly is the whole point and benifit then
> virtio should lean into that.
> 
> This also means virtio protocol doesn't do PASID invalidation. It
> invalidates an ASID and the hypervisor takes care of whatever it is
> connected to. Very simple and general for the VM.

this sounds fair, if ASID here refers a general ID identifying the page
table instead of ARM specific ASID. 😊

but guest still needs to manage the PASID and program PASID into
the assigned device to tag DMA.

> 
> Adding a S1 iommu_domain op for invalidate address range is perfectly
> fine and the virtio kernel hypervisor driver can call it generically.
> 
> The primary reason to have guest-owned PASID tables is CC stuff, which
> definitely won't be part of virtio-iommu.
> 

This fits Intel well.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-03-17 10:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 165+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-09 10:53 [PATCH v1 00/14] Add Nested Translation Support for SMMUv3 Nicolin Chen
2023-03-09 10:53 ` [PATCH v1 01/14] iommu: Add iommu_get_unmanaged_domain helper Nicolin Chen
2023-03-09 12:51   ` Robin Murphy
2023-03-09 14:19     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-09 19:04       ` Robin Murphy
2023-03-10  0:23         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-10  8:41     ` Eric Auger
2023-03-10 15:55       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-16  1:21         ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-16 18:42           ` Robin Murphy
2023-03-16 20:01             ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-20 12:51             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-10 10:14   ` Eric Auger
2023-03-10 15:33     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-10 15:44       ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2023-03-10 15:56         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-10 16:07           ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2023-03-10 16:21             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-10 16:30               ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2023-03-10 17:03                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-22 16:07                   ` Eric Auger
2023-03-22 17:02                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-22 17:41                       ` Eric Auger
2023-03-22 18:07                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-16 19:51                 ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-16 19:56                   ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2023-03-22 15:44                     ` Eric Auger
2023-03-09 10:53 ` [PATCH v1 02/14] iommufd: Add nesting related data structures for ARM SMMUv3 Nicolin Chen
2023-03-09 13:42   ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2023-03-09 14:48     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-09 18:26       ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2023-03-09 21:01         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-10 12:16           ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2023-03-10 14:52           ` Robin Murphy
2023-03-10 15:25             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-10 15:57               ` Robin Murphy
2023-03-10 16:03                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-17 10:10                   ` Tian, Kevin [this message]
2023-03-17 10:04                 ` Tian, Kevin
2023-03-10  4:50       ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-10 12:54         ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2023-03-10 14:00           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-10 16:06         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-16  0:59           ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-09 15:26     ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2023-03-09 15:40       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-09 15:51         ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2023-03-09 15:59           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-09 16:07             ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2023-03-10  5:26               ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-10  5:36                 ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-10 12:55                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-10  5:18         ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-10  5:04     ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-10 11:33     ` Eric Auger
2023-03-10 12:51       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-17 10:17         ` Tian, Kevin
2023-03-09 10:53 ` [PATCH v1 03/14] iommufd/device: Setup MSI on kernel-managed domains Nicolin Chen
2023-03-10 16:45   ` Eric Auger
2023-03-11  0:17     ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-09 10:53 ` [PATCH v1 04/14] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Add arm_smmu_hw_info Nicolin Chen
2023-03-09 13:03   ` Robin Murphy
2023-03-10  1:17     ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-10 15:28       ` Robin Murphy
2023-03-16  0:13         ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-16 15:19           ` Robin Murphy
2023-03-16 20:06             ` Nicolin Chen
2023-04-12  7:47               ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-09 10:53 ` [PATCH v1 05/14] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Remove ARM_SMMU_DOMAIN_NESTED Nicolin Chen
2023-03-10 16:39   ` Eric Auger
2023-03-10 17:05     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-11  0:24       ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-11  0:23     ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-09 10:53 ` [PATCH v1 06/14] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Unset corresponding STE fields when s2_cfg is NULL Nicolin Chen
2023-03-09 13:13   ` Robin Murphy
2023-03-09 18:24     ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2023-03-10  1:54       ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-09 10:53 ` [PATCH v1 07/14] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Add STRTAB_STE_0_CFG_NESTED for 2-stage translation Nicolin Chen
2023-03-09 10:53 ` [PATCH v1 08/14] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Prepare for nested domain support Nicolin Chen
2023-03-10 20:39   ` Robin Murphy
2023-03-11 12:40     ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-09 10:53 ` [PATCH v1 09/14] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Implement arm_smmu_get_unmanaged_domain Nicolin Chen
2023-03-09 10:53 ` [PATCH v1 10/14] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Pass in user_cfg to arm_smmu_domain_finalise Nicolin Chen
2023-03-09 10:53 ` [PATCH v1 11/14] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Add arm_smmu_domain_alloc_user Nicolin Chen
2023-03-24 15:28   ` Eric Auger
2023-03-24 17:40     ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-24 17:50       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-24 18:00         ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-24 15:33   ` Eric Auger
2023-03-24 17:43     ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-09 10:53 ` [PATCH v1 12/14] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Support IOMMU_DOMAIN_NESTED type of allocations Nicolin Chen
2023-03-09 13:20   ` Robin Murphy
2023-03-09 14:28     ` Robin Murphy
2023-03-10  1:34       ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-24 15:44   ` Eric Auger
2023-03-24 16:30     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-24 17:50     ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-24 17:51       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-24 17:55         ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-09 10:53 ` [PATCH v1 13/14] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Add CMDQ_OP_TLBI_NH_VAA and CMDQ_OP_TLBI_NH_ALL Nicolin Chen
2023-03-09 13:44   ` Robin Murphy
2023-03-10  1:19     ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-09 10:53 ` [PATCH v1 14/14] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Add arm_smmu_cache_invalidate_user Nicolin Chen
2023-03-09 14:49   ` Robin Murphy
2023-03-09 15:31     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-10  4:20       ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-10 16:19         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-11 11:56           ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-11 12:53             ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-20 13:03             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-20 15:56               ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-20 16:04                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-20 16:59                   ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-20 18:45                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-20 21:22                       ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-20 22:19                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-22 20:57                           ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-23 12:17                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-17  9:41           ` Tian, Kevin
2023-03-17 14:24             ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-20 12:59             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-20 16:12               ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-20 18:00                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-21  8:34                   ` Tian, Kevin
2023-03-21 11:48                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-22  6:42                       ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-22 12:43                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-22 17:11                           ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-22 17:28                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-22 19:21                               ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-22 19:41                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-22 20:43                                   ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-23 12:16                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-23 18:13                                       ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-23 18:27                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-24  9:02                         ` Tian, Kevin
2023-03-24 14:57                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-24 17:35                             ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-28  3:03                               ` Tian, Kevin
2023-03-24  8:47                       ` Tian, Kevin
2023-03-24 14:44                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-28  2:48                           ` Tian, Kevin
2023-03-28 12:26                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-31  8:09                               ` Tian, Kevin
2023-03-17  9:24       ` Tian, Kevin
2023-03-10  3:51     ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-10 17:53       ` Robin Murphy
2023-03-10 18:49         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-11 12:38         ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-13 13:07           ` Robin Murphy
2023-03-16  0:01             ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-16 14:58               ` Robin Murphy
2023-03-16 21:09                 ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-20  1:32                   ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-20 13:11                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-20 15:28                       ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-20 16:01                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-20 16:35                           ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-20 18:07                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-20 20:46                               ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-20 22:14                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-22  5:14                                   ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-24  8:55                                     ` Tian, Kevin
2023-03-17  9:47     ` Tian, Kevin
2023-03-17 14:16       ` Nicolin Chen

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