From: Sarthak Kukreti <sarthakkukreti@chromium.org>
To: Mike Snitzer <snitzer@redhat.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
dm-devel@redhat.com, linux-block@vger.kernel.org,
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Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
Alasdair Kergon <agk@redhat.com>,
Mike Snitzer <snitzer@kernel.org>,
"Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
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Daniil Lunev <dlunev@google.com>, Evan Green <evgreen@google.com>,
Gwendal Grignou <gwendal@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 4/8] fs: Introduce FALLOC_FL_PROVISION
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2022 01:08:03 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAG9=OMN6+ra3W2VcyvnnxRvxQz6uncSCNZvxZ8x9HgvV4GGB6w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YyssAb/zTcIG2bev@redhat.com>
On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 8:21 AM Mike Snitzer <snitzer@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Sep 21 2022 at 1:54P -0400,
> Sarthak Kukreti <sarthakkukreti@chromium.org> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 12:49 AM Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 09:48:22AM -0700, Sarthak Kukreti wrote:
> > > > From: Sarthak Kukreti <sarthakkukreti@chromium.org>
> > > >
> > > > FALLOC_FL_PROVISION is a new fallocate() allocation mode that
> > > > sends a hint to (supported) thinly provisioned block devices to
> > > > allocate space for the given range of sectors via REQ_OP_PROVISION.
> > >
> > > So, how does that "provisioning" actually work in todays world where
> > > storage is usually doing out of place writes in one or more layers,
> > > including the flash storage everyone is using. Does it give you one
> > > write? And unlimited number? Some undecided number inbetween?
> >
> > Apologies, the patchset was a bit short on describing the semantics so
> > I'll expand more in the next revision; I'd say that it's the minimum
> > of regular mode fallocate() guarantees at each allocation layer. For
> > example, the guarantees from a contrived storage stack like (left to
> > right is bottom to top):
> >
> > [ mmc0blkp1 | ext4(1) | sparse file | loop | dm-thinp | dm-thin | ext4(2) ]
> >
> > would be predicated on the guarantees of fallocate() per allocation
> > layer; if ext4(1) was replaced by a filesystem that did not support
> > fallocate(), then there would be no guarantee that a write to a file
> > on ext4(2) succeeds.
> >
> > For dm-thinp, in the current implementation, the provision request
> > allocates blocks for the range specified and adds the mapping to the
> > thinpool metadata. All subsequent writes are to the same block, so
> > you'll be able to write to the same block inifinitely. Brian mentioned
> > this above, one case it doesn't cover is if provision is called on a
> > shared block, but the natural extension would be to allocate and
> > assign a new block and copy the contents of the shared block (kind of
> > like copy-on-provision).
>
> It follows that ChromiumOS isn't using dm-thinp's snapshot support?
>
Not at the moment, but we definitely have ideas to explore re:snapshot
and dm-thinp (like A-B updates with thin volume snapshots), where this
would definitely be useful!
> But please do fold in incremental dm-thinp support to properly handle
> shared blocks (dm-thinp already handles breaking sharing, etc.. so
> I'll need to see where you're hooking into that you don't get this
> "for free").
>
Will do in v2. Thanks for the feedback.
Best
Sarthak
> Mike
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-09-22 8:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-09-15 16:48 [PATCH RFC 0/8] Introduce provisioning primitives for thinly provisioned storage Sarthak Kukreti
2022-09-15 16:48 ` [PATCH RFC 1/8] block: Introduce provisioning primitives Sarthak Kukreti
2022-09-23 15:15 ` Mike Snitzer
2022-12-29 8:17 ` Sarthak Kukreti
2022-09-15 16:48 ` [PATCH RFC 2/8] dm: Add support for block provisioning Sarthak Kukreti
2022-09-23 14:23 ` Mike Snitzer
2022-12-29 8:22 ` Sarthak Kukreti
2022-09-15 16:48 ` [PATCH RFC 3/8] virtio_blk: Add support for provision requests Sarthak Kukreti
2022-09-16 5:48 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-09-20 2:33 ` Sarthak Kukreti
2022-09-27 21:37 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-09-15 16:48 ` [PATCH RFC 4/8] fs: Introduce FALLOC_FL_PROVISION Sarthak Kukreti
2022-09-16 11:56 ` Brian Foster
2022-09-16 21:02 ` Sarthak Kukreti
2022-09-21 15:39 ` Brian Foster
2022-09-22 8:04 ` Sarthak Kukreti
2022-09-22 18:29 ` Brian Foster
2022-12-29 8:13 ` Sarthak Kukreti
2022-09-20 7:49 ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-09-21 5:54 ` Sarthak Kukreti
2022-09-21 15:21 ` Mike Snitzer
2022-09-22 8:08 ` Sarthak Kukreti [this message]
2022-09-23 8:45 ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-12-29 8:14 ` Sarthak Kukreti
2022-09-15 16:48 ` [PATCH RFC 5/8] loop: Add support for provision requests Sarthak Kukreti
2022-09-15 16:48 ` [PATCH RFC 6/8] ext4: Add support for FALLOC_FL_PROVISION Sarthak Kukreti
2022-09-15 16:48 ` [PATCH RFC 7/8] ext4: Add mount option for provisioning blocks during allocations Sarthak Kukreti
2022-09-15 16:48 ` [PATCH RFC 8/8] ext4: Add a per-file provision override xattr Sarthak Kukreti
2022-09-16 6:09 ` [PATCH RFC 0/8] Introduce provisioning primitives for thinly provisioned storage Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-09-16 18:48 ` Sarthak Kukreti
2022-09-16 20:01 ` Bart Van Assche
2022-09-16 21:59 ` Sarthak Kukreti
2022-09-20 7:46 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <CAAKderPF5Z5QLxyEb80Y+90+eR0sfRmL-WfgXLp=eL=HxWSZ9g@mail.gmail.com>
2022-09-20 11:30 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <CAAKderNcHpbBqWqqd5-WuKLRCQQUt7a_4D4ti4gy15+fKGK0vQ@mail.gmail.com>
2022-09-21 15:08 ` Mike Snitzer
2022-09-23 8:51 ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-09-23 14:08 ` Mike Snitzer
2022-12-29 8:17 ` Sarthak Kukreti
2022-09-17 3:03 ` [dm-devel] " Darrick J. Wong
2022-09-17 19:46 ` Sarthak Kukreti
2022-09-19 16:36 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
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