From: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
Alexei Starovoitov <ast@plumgrid.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
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Will Drewry <wad@chromium.org>, Julien Tinnes <jln@chromium.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 5/9] seccomp: split mode set routines
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 13:56:46 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGXu5j+M+MHkxNMSaQ+RqYrty=1Fgur6_duSnL8DAZ_SazeJ7w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140627195559.GA31661@redhat.com>
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com> wrote:
> On 06/27, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com> wrote:
>> > On 06/27, Kees Cook wrote:
>> >>
>> >> It looks like SMP ARM issues dsb for rmb, which seems a bit expensive.
>> >> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dui0204g/CIHJFGFE.htm
>> >>
>> >> ...
>> >>
>> >> I really want to avoid adding anything to the secure_computing()
>> >> execution path. :(
>> >
>> > I must have missed something but I do not understand your concerns.
>> >
>> > __secure_computing() is not trivial, and we are going to execute the
>> > filters. Do you really think rmb() can add the noticeable difference?
>> >
>> > Not to mention that we can only get here if we take the slow syscall
>> > enter path due to TIF_SECCOMP...
>> >
>>
>> On my box, with my fancy multi-phase seccomp patches, the total
>> seccomp overhead for a very short filter is about 13ns. Adding a full
>> barrier would add several ns, I think.
>
> I am just curious, does this 13ns overhead include the penalty from the
> slow syscall enter path triggered by TIF_SECCOMP ?
>
>> Admittedly, this is x86, not ARM, so comparisons here are completely
>> bogus. And that read memory barrier doesn't even need an instruction
>> on x86. But still, let's try to keep this fast.
>
> Well, I am not going to insist...
>
> But imo it would be better to make it correct in a most simple way, then
> we can optimize this code and see if there is a noticeable difference.
>
> Not only we can change the ordering, we can remove the BUG_ON's and just
> accept the fact the __secure_computing() can race with sys_seccomp() from
> another thread.
>
> If nothing else, it would be much simpler to discuss this patch if it comes
> as a separate change.
Yeah, the way I want to go is to add the rmb() for now (it gets us
"correctness"), and then later deal with any potential performance
problems on ARM at a later time. (At present, I'm unable to perform
any timings on ARM -- maybe next week.)
I will send the v9 series in a moment here...
-Kees
--
Kees Cook
Chrome OS Security
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-06-27 20:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-06-24 20:48 [PATCH v8 0/9] seccomp: add thread sync ability Kees Cook
2014-06-24 20:48 ` [PATCH v8 1/9] seccomp: create internal mode-setting function Kees Cook
2014-06-24 20:48 ` [PATCH v8 2/9] seccomp: split filter prep from check and apply Kees Cook
2014-06-24 20:48 ` [PATCH v8 3/9] seccomp: introduce writer locking Kees Cook
2014-06-25 14:03 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-06-25 18:07 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-06-25 18:29 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-06-27 17:27 ` Kees Cook
2014-06-24 20:48 ` [PATCH v8 4/9] sched: move no_new_privs into new atomic flags Kees Cook
2014-06-25 13:43 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-06-25 14:44 ` Kees Cook
2014-06-24 20:48 ` [PATCH v8 5/9] seccomp: split mode set routines Kees Cook
2014-06-25 13:51 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-06-25 14:51 ` Kees Cook
2014-06-25 16:10 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-06-25 16:54 ` Kees Cook
2014-06-25 17:03 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-06-25 17:32 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-06-25 17:38 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-06-25 17:51 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-06-25 18:00 ` Kees Cook
2014-06-25 18:07 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-06-27 18:33 ` Kees Cook
2014-06-27 18:39 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-06-27 18:52 ` Kees Cook
2014-06-27 18:56 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-06-27 19:04 ` Kees Cook
2014-06-27 19:11 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-06-27 19:27 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-06-27 19:31 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-06-27 19:55 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-06-27 20:08 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-06-27 20:56 ` Kees Cook [this message]
2014-06-25 17:00 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-06-24 20:48 ` [PATCH v8 6/9] seccomp: add "seccomp" syscall Kees Cook
2014-06-24 20:48 ` [PATCH v8 7/9] ARM: add seccomp syscall Kees Cook
2014-06-24 20:48 ` [PATCH v8 8/9] MIPS: " Kees Cook
2014-06-24 20:48 ` [PATCH v8 9/9] seccomp: implement SECCOMP_FILTER_FLAG_TSYNC Kees Cook
2014-06-25 14:21 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-06-25 15:08 ` Kees Cook
2014-06-25 16:52 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-06-25 17:09 ` Kees Cook
2014-06-25 17:24 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-06-25 17:40 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-06-25 17:57 ` Kees Cook
2014-06-25 18:09 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-06-25 18:25 ` Kees Cook
2014-06-25 18:20 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-06-25 18:31 ` Kees Cook
2014-06-24 20:56 ` [PATCH v8 1/1] man-pages: seccomp.2: document syscall Kees Cook
2014-06-25 13:04 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-06-25 15:10 ` Kees Cook
2014-06-25 17:54 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
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