From: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
To: Daniel Micay <danielmicay@gmail.com>
Cc: "Ingo Molnar" <mingo@kernel.org>,
"Thomas Garnier" <thgarnie@google.com>,
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Subject: Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH v9 1/4] syscalls: Verify address limit before returning to user-mode
Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 08:26:23 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGXu5jL61K0bRSEg9a_LswNyrt3K1J57REbWVcvAXT54zWwtMA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1494256932.1167.1.camel@gmail.com>
On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Daniel Micay <danielmicay@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 2017-05-08 at 09:52 +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>>
>> ... it's just not usable in that form for a regular maintenance flow.
>>
>> So what would be more useful is to add a specific Sparse check that
>> only checks
>> KERNEL_DS, to add it as a regular (.config driven) build option and
>> make sure the
>> kernel build has zero warnings.
>>
>> From that point on we can declare that this kind of bug won't occur
>> anymore, if
>> the Sparse implementation of the check is correct.
>>
>> But there's a (big) problem with that development model: Sparse is not
>> part of the
>> kernel tree and adding a feature to it while making the kernel depend
>> on that
>> brand new feature is a logistical nightmare. The overhead is quite
>> similar to
>> adding new features to a compiler - it happens at a glacial pace and
>> is only done
>> for major features really, at considerable expense. I don't think this
>> is an
>> adequate model for 'extended syntax checking' of the kernel,
>> especially when it
>> comes to correctness that has such obvious security impact.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ingo
>
> There's the option of using GCC plugins now that the infrastructure was
> upstreamed from grsecurity. It can be used as part of the regular build
> process and as long as the analysis is pretty simple it shouldn't hurt
> compile time much.
Well, and that the situation may arise due to memory corruption, not
from poorly-matched set_fs() calls, which static analysis won't help
solve. We need to catch this bad kernel state because it is a very bad
state to run in.
-Kees
--
Kees Cook
Pixel Security
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-05-08 15:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-04-28 15:32 [PATCH v9 1/4] syscalls: Verify address limit before returning to user-mode Thomas Garnier
2017-04-28 15:32 ` [PATCH v9 2/4] x86/syscalls: Optimize address limit check Thomas Garnier
2017-04-28 15:32 ` [PATCH v9 3/4] arm/syscalls: " Thomas Garnier
2017-04-28 15:32 ` [PATCH v9 4/4] arm64/syscalls: " Thomas Garnier
2017-05-05 22:18 ` [PATCH v9 1/4] syscalls: Verify address limit before returning to user-mode Thomas Garnier
2017-05-08 7:33 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-05-08 7:52 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-05-08 15:22 ` [kernel-hardening] " Daniel Micay
2017-05-08 15:26 ` Kees Cook [this message]
2017-05-08 19:51 ` Thomas Garnier
2017-05-09 6:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-05-09 11:10 ` Greg KH
2017-05-09 14:29 ` Thomas Garnier
2017-05-11 23:17 ` Thomas Garnier
2017-05-11 23:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-05-12 5:28 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2017-05-12 5:34 ` Kees Cook
2017-05-12 5:54 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2017-05-12 19:01 ` Kees Cook
2017-05-12 19:08 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-05-12 19:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-05-12 19:30 ` Kees Cook
2017-05-12 20:21 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-05-12 20:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-05-12 20:45 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-05-12 21:00 ` Kees Cook
2017-05-12 21:04 ` Kees Cook
2017-05-13 7:21 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-12 21:06 ` Al Viro
2017-05-12 21:16 ` Daniel Micay
2017-05-12 21:17 ` Kees Cook
2017-05-12 21:23 ` Daniel Micay
2017-05-12 21:41 ` Al Viro
2017-05-12 21:47 ` Rik van Riel
2017-05-12 22:57 ` Al Viro
2017-05-12 21:50 ` Kees Cook
2017-05-12 6:57 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-05-12 6:13 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-05-12 6:58 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-05-12 17:05 ` Thomas Garnier
2017-05-09 16:30 ` Kees Cook
2017-05-08 12:46 ` Greg KH
2017-05-09 6:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-05-09 8:56 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-09 13:00 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-05-09 13:02 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-09 16:03 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-09 16:50 ` Kees Cook
2017-05-09 22:52 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-05-09 23:31 ` Kees Cook
2017-05-10 1:59 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-05-10 7:15 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-11 11:22 ` Borislav Petkov
2017-05-10 6:46 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-10 2:11 ` Al Viro
2017-05-10 2:45 ` Al Viro
2017-05-10 3:12 ` Al Viro
2017-05-10 3:21 ` Al Viro
2017-05-10 3:39 ` Al Viro
2017-05-10 6:54 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-10 6:53 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-10 7:27 ` Al Viro
2017-05-10 7:35 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-10 6:49 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-10 7:28 ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-05-10 7:35 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-09 16:05 ` Brian Gerst
2017-05-10 7:37 ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-05-10 8:08 ` Al Viro
2017-05-10 8:14 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-11 0:18 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-05-12 7:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-05-12 7:15 ` Al Viro
2017-05-12 7:35 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-12 7:43 ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-05-12 8:11 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-12 8:16 ` Al Viro
2017-05-12 8:11 ` Al Viro
2017-05-12 8:20 ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-05-12 23:20 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-05-08 13:09 ` Kees Cook
2017-05-08 14:02 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-05-08 14:06 ` Jann Horn
2017-05-08 20:48 ` Al Viro
2017-05-12 23:15 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-05-08 15:24 ` Kees Cook
2017-05-09 6:34 ` Ingo Molnar
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