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From: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
To: Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>
Cc: "Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
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Subject: Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH v9 1/4] syscalls: Verify address limit before returning to user-mode
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 12:01:59 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGXu5jL9vUrn4kpjO+qa4cHmWBypeqP17OGbrMs=5Nz0YpQMZw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170512075458.09a3a1ce@mschwideX1>

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 10:54 PM, Martin Schwidefsky
<schwidefsky@de.ibm.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 11 May 2017 22:34:31 -0700
> Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 10:28 PM, Martin Schwidefsky
>> <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com> wrote:
>> > On Thu, 11 May 2017 16:44:07 -0700
>> > Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Thomas Garnier <thgarnie@google.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Ingo: Do you want the change as-is? Would you like it to be optional?
>> >> > What do you think?
>> >>
>> >> I'm not ingo, but I don't like that patch. It's in the wrong place -
>> >> that system call return code is too timing-critical to add address
>> >> limit checks.
>> >>
>> >> Now what I think you *could* do is:
>> >>
>> >>  - make "set_fs()" actually set a work flag in the current thread flags
>> >>
>> >>  - do the test in the slow-path (syscall_return_slowpath).
>> >>
>> >> Yes, yes, that ends up being architecture-specific, but it's fairly simple.
>> >>
>> >> And it only slows down the system calls that actually use "set_fs()".
>> >> Sure, it will slow those down a fair amount, but they are hopefully a
>> >> small subset of all cases.
>> >>
>> >> How does that sound to people?  Thats' where we currently do that
>> >>
>> >>         if (IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_PROVE_LOCKING) &&
>> >>             WARN(irqs_disabled(), "syscall %ld left IRQs disabled",
>> >> regs->orig_ax))
>> >>                 local_irq_enable();
>> >>
>> >> check too, which is a fairly similar issue.
>> >
>> > This is exactly what Heiko did for the s390 backend as a result of this
>> > discussion. See the _CIF_ASCE_SECONDARY bit in arch/s390/kernel/entry.S,
>> > for the hot patch the check for the bit is included in the general
>> > _CIF_WORK test. Only the slow patch gets a bit slower.
>> >
>> > git commit b5a882fcf146c87cb6b67c6df353e1c042b8773d
>> > "s390: restore address space when returning to user space".
>>
>> If I'm understanding this, it won't catch corruption of addr_limit
>> during fast-path syscalls, though (i.e. addr_limit changed without a
>> call to set_fs()). :( This addr_limit corruption is mostly only a risk
>> archs without THREAD_INFO_IN_TASK, but it would still be nice to catch
>> unbalanced set_fs() code, so I like the idea. I like getting rid of
>> addr_limit entirely even more, but that'll take some time. :)
>
> Well for s390 there is no addr_limit as we use two separate address space
> for kernel vs. user. The equivalent to the addr_limit corruption on a
> fast-path syscall would be changing CR7 outside of set_fs. This boils
> down to the question what we are protection against? Bad code with
> unbalanced set_fs or evil code that changes addr_limit/CR7 outside of
> set_fs

Yeah, the risk for "corrupted addr_limit" is mainly a concern for
archs with addr_limit on the kernel stack. If I'm reading things
correctly, that means, from the archs I've been paying closer
attention to, it's an issue for arm, mips, and powerpc:

arch/arm/include/asm/uaccess.h: current_thread_info()->addr_limit = fs;
arch/arm/include/asm/thread_info.h:             (current_stack_pointer
& ~(THREAD_SIZE - 1));

arch/mips/include/asm/uaccess.h:#define set_fs(x)
(current_thread_info()->addr_limit = (x))
arch/mips/kernel/process.c:        * task stacks at THREAD_SIZE - 32

arch/powerpc/include/asm/uaccess.h:#define set_fs(val)
(current->thread.fs = (val))
arch/powerpc/kernel/process.c:          struct pt_regs *regs =
task_stack_page(current) + THREAD_SIZE;

(s390 uses a register, x86 and arm64 implement THREAD_INFO_IN_TASK.)
Targeting addr_limit through arbitrary write attacks isn't too common
since ... it's an arbitrary write. The issue with addr_limit was that
it can live on the kernel stack, which meant all kinds of
stack-related bugs can lead to it getting stomped on.

So, two goals to protect addr_limit:

- get it off the stack to make the difficulty of corruption on par
with other sensitive things that would require an arbitrary write
flaw.

- detect/block unbalanced set_fs() calls.

If we can get the former addressed by the remaining architectures,
then that class of attack will go away. For the latter, it sounds like
Linus's slowpath-exit will work nicely.

To me it looks like he architectures with addr_limit still on the
stack would still benefit from always-check-addr_limit on syscall
exit, but that would be arch-specific anyway.

And then, of course, we've got the parallel task of just removing
set_fs() entirely. :)

-Kees

-- 
Kees Cook
Pixel Security

  reply	other threads:[~2017-05-12 19:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-04-28 15:32 [PATCH v9 1/4] syscalls: Verify address limit before returning to user-mode Thomas Garnier
2017-04-28 15:32 ` [PATCH v9 2/4] x86/syscalls: Optimize address limit check Thomas Garnier
2017-04-28 15:32 ` [PATCH v9 3/4] arm/syscalls: " Thomas Garnier
2017-04-28 15:32 ` [PATCH v9 4/4] arm64/syscalls: " Thomas Garnier
2017-05-05 22:18 ` [PATCH v9 1/4] syscalls: Verify address limit before returning to user-mode Thomas Garnier
2017-05-08  7:33   ` Ingo Molnar
2017-05-08  7:52     ` Ingo Molnar
2017-05-08 15:22       ` [kernel-hardening] " Daniel Micay
2017-05-08 15:26         ` Kees Cook
2017-05-08 19:51           ` Thomas Garnier
2017-05-09  6:56           ` Ingo Molnar
2017-05-09 11:10             ` Greg KH
2017-05-09 14:29               ` Thomas Garnier
2017-05-11 23:17                 ` Thomas Garnier
2017-05-11 23:44                   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-05-12  5:28                     ` Martin Schwidefsky
2017-05-12  5:34                       ` Kees Cook
2017-05-12  5:54                         ` Martin Schwidefsky
2017-05-12 19:01                           ` Kees Cook [this message]
2017-05-12 19:08                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-05-12 19:08                             ` Linus Torvalds
2017-05-12 19:30                               ` Kees Cook
2017-05-12 20:21                                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-05-12 20:30                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-05-12 20:45                                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-05-12 21:00                                       ` Kees Cook
2017-05-12 21:04                                         ` Kees Cook
2017-05-13  7:21                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-12 21:06                                   ` Al Viro
2017-05-12 21:16                                     ` Daniel Micay
2017-05-12 21:17                                     ` Kees Cook
2017-05-12 21:23                                       ` Daniel Micay
2017-05-12 21:41                                       ` Al Viro
2017-05-12 21:47                                         ` Rik van Riel
2017-05-12 22:57                                           ` Al Viro
2017-05-12 21:50                                         ` Kees Cook
2017-05-12  6:57                         ` Ingo Molnar
2017-05-12  6:13                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-05-12  6:58                     ` Ingo Molnar
2017-05-12 17:05                       ` Thomas Garnier
2017-05-09 16:30             ` Kees Cook
2017-05-08 12:46     ` Greg KH
2017-05-09  6:45       ` Ingo Molnar
2017-05-09  8:56         ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-09 13:00           ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-05-09 13:02             ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-09 16:03               ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-09 16:50                 ` Kees Cook
2017-05-09 22:52                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-05-09 23:31                     ` Kees Cook
2017-05-10  1:59                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-05-10  7:15                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-11 11:22                       ` Borislav Petkov
2017-05-10  6:46                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-10  2:11                 ` Al Viro
2017-05-10  2:45                   ` Al Viro
2017-05-10  3:12                     ` Al Viro
2017-05-10  3:21                       ` Al Viro
2017-05-10  3:39                         ` Al Viro
2017-05-10  6:54                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-10  6:53                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-10  7:27                         ` Al Viro
2017-05-10  7:35                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-10  6:49                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-10  7:28                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-05-10  7:35                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-09 16:05             ` Brian Gerst
2017-05-10  7:37             ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-05-10  8:08               ` Al Viro
2017-05-10  8:14                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-11  0:18                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-05-12  7:00             ` Ingo Molnar
2017-05-12  7:15               ` Al Viro
2017-05-12  7:35                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-12  7:43                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-05-12  8:11                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-05-12  8:16                     ` Al Viro
2017-05-12  8:11                   ` Al Viro
2017-05-12  8:20                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-05-12 23:20                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-05-08 13:09     ` Kees Cook
2017-05-08 14:02       ` Ingo Molnar
2017-05-08 14:06         ` Jann Horn
2017-05-08 20:48           ` Al Viro
2017-05-12 23:15             ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-05-08 15:24         ` Kees Cook
2017-05-09  6:34           ` Ingo Molnar

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