From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
To: Sedat Dilek <sedat.dilek@gmail.com>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
Dennis Zhou <dennis@kernel.org>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
"the arch/x86 maintainers" <x86@kernel.org>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Clang-Built-Linux ML <clang-built-linux@googlegroups.com>,
David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
Dmitry Golovin <dima@golovin.in>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 11/11] x86: support i386 with Clang
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 13:42:16 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAK8P3a3Ms1uvLcbhmbsU+-u11BCrXPaU5Dro=P9LjAG7CYm8ww@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+icZUVz0opOb0LihLvPvKM-t0Y=pcUWDyb+u-L_UVnnbPh1rQ@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 1:07 PM Sedat Dilek <sedat.dilek@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 11:17 AM Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de> wrote:
> > Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de> writes:
>
> I have applied this patch-series v3 but some basics of "i386" usage
> are not clear to me when I wanted to test it and give some feedback.
>
> [1] is the original place in CBL where this was reported and I have
> commented on this.
>
> Beyond some old cruft in i386_defconfig like non-existent
> "CONFIG_CRYPTO_AES_586" I have some fundamental questions:
>
> What means "ARCH=i386" and where it is used (for)?
>
> I can do:
>
> $ ARCH=x86 make V=1 -j3 $MAKE_OPTS i386_defconfig
> $ make V=1 -j3 $MAKE_OPTS i386_defconfig
>
> ...which results in the same .config.
>
> Whereas when I do:
>
> $ ARCH=i386 make V=1 -j3 $MAKE_OPTS i386_defconfig
>
> ...drops CONFIG_64BIT line entirely.
>
> But "# CONFIG_64BIT is not set" is explicitly set in
> arch/x86/configs/i386_defconfig but gets dropped.
>
> Unsure if above is the same like:
> $ ARCH=i386 make V=1 -j3 $MAKE_OPTS defconfig
The logic was introduced when arch/i386 and arch/x86_64 got
merged into arch/x86, to stay compatible with the original behavior
that would produce a 32-bit or 64-bit kernel depending on which
machine you are running on.
There are probably not a lot of people building kernels on 32-bit
machines any more (real 32-bit machines are really slow compared
to modern ones, and 64-bit machines running 32-bit distros usually
want a 64-bit kernel), so it could in theory be changed.
It will certainly break someone's workflow though, so nobody has
proposed actually changing it so far.
> When generating via "make ... i386_defconfig" modern gcc-9 and and a
> snapshot version of clang-11 build both with:
>
> $ ARCH=x86 make V=1 -j3 $MAKE_OPTS
> ... -march=i686 -mtune=generic ...
>
> Checking generated .config reveals:
>
> CONFIG_M686=y
>
> So, I guess modern compilers do at least support "i686" as lowest CPU?
i686 compiler support goes back to the 1990s, and the kernel now
requires at least gcc-4.9 from 2014, so yes.
> Nick D. says:
> > I usually test with make ... i386_defconfig.
>
> Can you enlighten a bit?
>
> Of course, I can send a patch to remove the "CONFIG_CRYPTO_AES_586=y"
> line from i386_defconfig.
The "i386" in i386_defconfig is just a synonym for x86-32, it does not
imply a particular CPU generation. The original i386 is no longer supported,
i486sx (barely) is and in practice most 32-bit Linux code gets compiled
for some variant of i586 or i686 variant but run on 64-bit hardware.
Arnd
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-07-23 11:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-07-20 20:49 [PATCH v3 00/11] i386 Clang support Nick Desaulniers
2020-07-20 20:49 ` [PATCH v3 01/11] x86/percpu: Introduce size abstraction macros Nick Desaulniers
2020-07-23 10:43 ` [tip: x86/asm] " tip-bot2 for Brian Gerst
2020-07-20 20:49 ` [PATCH v3 02/11] x86/percpu: Clean up percpu_to_op() Nick Desaulniers
2020-07-23 10:43 ` [tip: x86/asm] " tip-bot2 for Brian Gerst
2020-07-20 20:49 ` [PATCH v3 03/11] x86/percpu: Clean up percpu_from_op() Nick Desaulniers
2020-07-23 10:43 ` [tip: x86/asm] " tip-bot2 for Brian Gerst
2020-07-20 20:49 ` [PATCH v3 04/11] x86/percpu: Clean up percpu_add_op() Nick Desaulniers
2020-07-23 10:43 ` [tip: x86/asm] " tip-bot2 for Brian Gerst
2020-07-20 20:49 ` [PATCH v3 05/11] x86/percpu: Remove "e" constraint from XADD Nick Desaulniers
2020-07-23 10:43 ` [tip: x86/asm] " tip-bot2 for Brian Gerst
2020-07-20 20:49 ` [PATCH v3 06/11] x86/percpu: Clean up percpu_add_return_op() Nick Desaulniers
2020-07-23 10:43 ` [tip: x86/asm] " tip-bot2 for Brian Gerst
2020-07-20 20:49 ` [PATCH v3 07/11] x86/percpu: Clean up percpu_xchg_op() Nick Desaulniers
2020-07-23 10:43 ` [tip: x86/asm] " tip-bot2 for Brian Gerst
2020-07-20 20:49 ` [PATCH v3 08/11] x86/percpu: Clean up percpu_cmpxchg_op() Nick Desaulniers
2020-07-23 10:43 ` [tip: x86/asm] " tip-bot2 for Brian Gerst
2020-07-20 20:49 ` [PATCH v3 09/11] x86/percpu: Clean up percpu_stable_op() Nick Desaulniers
2020-07-23 10:43 ` [tip: x86/asm] " tip-bot2 for Brian Gerst
2020-07-20 20:49 ` [PATCH v3 10/11] x86/percpu: Remove unused PER_CPU() macro Nick Desaulniers
2020-07-23 10:43 ` [tip: x86/asm] " tip-bot2 for Brian Gerst
2020-07-20 20:49 ` [PATCH v3 11/11] x86: support i386 with Clang Nick Desaulniers
2020-07-23 9:14 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-07-23 9:17 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-07-23 11:06 ` Sedat Dilek
2020-07-23 11:42 ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2020-07-23 13:14 ` Sedat Dilek
2020-07-23 13:55 ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-07-24 13:22 ` Sedat Dilek
2020-07-23 10:43 ` [tip: x86/asm] x86/uaccess: Make __get_user_size() Clang compliant on 32-bit tip-bot2 for Nick Desaulniers
2020-07-21 8:09 ` [PATCH v3 00/11] i386 Clang support Sedat Dilek
2020-07-21 22:27 ` Dennis Zhou
2020-07-22 23:08 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-07-22 23:25 ` Dennis Zhou
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