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From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	nicolas.pitre@linaro.org, daniel.lezcano@linaro.org,
	Mike Galbraith <umgwanakikbuti@gmail.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/8] sched,idle: need resched polling rework
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 08:00:23 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrWJZ1-T+qOY9v=KBOSJkck7YYe7khw_dYPc9Ar8WFgMKw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140411134243.160989490@infradead.org>

On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 6:42 AM, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> A while ago both Mike and Andy complained that we still get pointless wakeup
> IPIs, we had a few patches back and forth but eventually more or less agreed
> and then nothing... :-)
>
> So here's a number of patches that implement something near what we left off
> with.
>
> Its only been compile/boot tested on x86_64, I've no actually looked at the IPI
> numbers yet.
>

Looks generally good and it should be a nice cleanup.

That being said, I think that this addresses once one of the two major
issues.  While the race you're fixing is more interesting, I think its
impact is dwarfed by the fact that ttwu_queue_remote completely
ignores polling.  (NB: I haven't actually tested this patch set, but I
did try to instrument this stuff awhile ago.)

To fix this, presumably the wake-from-idle path needs a
sched_ttwu_pending call, and ttwu_queue_remote could use resched_task.
 sched_ttwu_pending could benefit from a straightforward optimization:
it doesn't need rq->lock if llist is empty.

If you're not planning on trying to fix that, I can try to write up a
patch in the next day or two.

Even with all of this fixed, what happens when ttwu_queue_remote is
called with a task that has lower priority than whatever is currently
running on the targeted cpu?  I think the result is an IPI that serves
very little purpose other than avoiding taking a spinlock in the
waking thread.  This may be a bad tradeoff.  I doubt that this matters
for my particular workload, though.

--Andy

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-04-11 15:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-04-11 13:42 [RFC][PATCH 0/8] sched,idle: need resched polling rework Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-11 13:42 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/8] sched,idle,alpha: Switch from TS_POLLING to TIF_POLLING_NRFLAG Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-11 14:38   ` Richard Henderson
2014-04-11 13:42 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/8] sched,idle,tile: " Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-11 15:15   ` Chris Metcalf
2014-04-11 15:30     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-11 13:42 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/8] sched,idle,ia64: " Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-11 13:42 ` [RFC][PATCH 4/8] sched,idle,x86: " Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-11 13:42 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/8] sched,idle: Remove TS_POLLING support Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-11 13:42 ` [RFC][PATCH 6/8] sched,idle: Avoid spurious wakeup IPIs Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-13 21:41   ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-05-09 13:37   ` James Hogan
2014-05-09 14:15     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-09 14:40       ` Catalin Marinas
2014-05-09 14:50         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-09 14:57           ` Catalin Marinas
2014-05-09 17:02             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-09 17:06               ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-09 17:09                 ` Catalin Marinas
2014-05-09 17:20                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-19 12:54                 ` [tip:sched/arch] arm64: Remove TIF_POLLING_NRFLAG tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-22 12:26                 ` [tip:sched/core] " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-09 14:51       ` [RFC][PATCH 6/8] sched,idle: Avoid spurious wakeup IPIs James Hogan
2014-05-15  9:17         ` James Hogan
2014-05-19 12:54         ` [tip:sched/arch] metag: Remove TIF_POLLING_NRFLAG tip-bot for James Hogan
2014-05-22 12:26         ` [tip:sched/core] " tip-bot for James Hogan
2014-04-11 13:42 ` [RFC][PATCH 7/8] sched,idle: Delay clearing the polling bit Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-13 21:51   ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-04-11 13:42 ` [RFC][PATCH 8/8] sched,idle: Reflow cpuidle_idle_call() Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-13 21:36   ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-04-14  8:59     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-14  9:25       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-14 13:55         ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-04-11 15:00 ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2014-04-11 15:14   ` [RFC][PATCH 0/8] sched,idle: need resched polling rework Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-22 12:58   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-22 13:09     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29  0:01       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-05-29  6:48         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03  6:40           ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-06-03  6:51             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 10:43             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 14:02               ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 16:05                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-06-03 16:19                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 16:52                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-06-03 17:00                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 18:28                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 18:44                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-06-03 20:07                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-12  8:35 ` Mike Galbraith

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