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From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>
Cc: "Kweh, Hock Leong" <hock.leong.kweh@intel.com>,
	Peter Jones <pjones@redhat.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Matt Fleming <matt@codeblueprint.co.uk>,
	Ming Lei <ming.lei@canonical.com>,
	"Ong, Boon Leong" <boon.leong.ong@intel.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-efi@vger.kernel.org" <linux-efi@vger.kernel.org>,
	Sam Protsenko <semen.protsenko@linaro.org>,
	Roy Franz <roy.franz@linaro.org>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Linux FS Devel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 2/2] efi: an sysfs interface for user to update efi firmware
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 14:42:12 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrWZvShC189cJVBGXQeUqBrhWpj641ByN46y3wv2c7MmuA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1430343554.2189.30.camel@HansenPartnership.com>

On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 2:39 PM, James Bottomley
<James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 2015-04-29 at 14:36 -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 2:35 PM, James Bottomley
>> <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com> wrote:
>> > On Wed, 2015-04-29 at 11:23 +0000, Kweh, Hock Leong wrote:
>> >> I agree with James. Due to different people may have different needs. But
>> >> from our side, we would just like to have a simple interface for us to upload
>> >> the efi capsule and perform update. We do not have any use case or need
>> >> to get info from QueryCapsuleUpdate(). Let me give a suggestion here:
>> >> please allow me to focus on deliver this simple loading interface and
>> >> upstream it. Then later whoever has the actual use case or needs on the ioctl
>> >> implementation, he or she could enhance base on this simple loading interface.
>> >> What do you guys think?
>> >>
>> >> Let me summarize the latest design idea:
>> >> - No longer leverage on firmware class but use misc device
>> >> - Do not use platform device but use device_create()
>> >> - User just need to perform "cat file.bin > /sys/.../capsule_loader" in the shell
>> >> - File operation functions include: open(), read(), write() and flush()
>> >> - Perform mutex lock in open() then release the mutex in flush() for avoiding
>> >>    race condition / concurrent loading
>> >> - Perform the capsule update and error return at flush() function
>> >>
>> >> Is there anything I missed? Any one still have concern with this idea?
>> >> Thanks for providing the ideas as well as the review.
>> >
>> > I think that's pretty much it.
>> >
>> > Why don't you let me construct a straw man patch.  It's going to be a
>> > bit controversial because it involves adding flush operations to sysfs
>> > and kernfs, slicing apart firmware_class.c to extract the transaction
>> > handling stuff and creating an new efi update capsule file which makes
>> > use of it.
>> >
>> > Once we have code, we at least have something more concrete to argue
>> > over.
>>
>> Would it be worth checking whether busybox is also okay with it first?
>> (Sorry to be a naysayer.)
>>
>> It would be a shame if we do all this to keep the userspace footprint
>> light and then it doesn't work for non-coreutils userspace.
>
> I don't think so, because we can fix busybox if it's a problem.  The
> embedded people wanting this control the tool space, so they can decide
> to use the fixed version.
>
> So yes, someone should check and fix busybox cat if broken, but no, it's
> not a blocker.

It's still a bit unfortunate that:

#!/bin/sh

cat "$1" >/sys/whatever
if [ "$?" != "0" ]; then
   echo "It didn't work because" ...
   exit 1
fi

echo "It worked!  Go reboot if needed."
exit 0

will only work sometimes.  Will people really test this on their
target implementation of cat?  I agree that making this possible with
just shell is nice, but I'm less happy about it if it'll be
unreliable.

--Andy


-- 
Andy Lutomirski
AMA Capital Management, LLC

  reply	other threads:[~2015-04-29 21:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-04-14  9:44 [PATCH v4 0/2] Enable capsule loader interface for efi firmware updating Kweh, Hock Leong
2015-04-14  9:44 ` [PATCH v4 1/2] firmware_loader: introduce new API - request_firmware_direct_full_path() Kweh, Hock Leong
2015-04-14 14:08   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-14 15:56     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-14 16:18       ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-15 10:14         ` Matt Fleming
2015-04-15 10:18           ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-15 11:09             ` Matt Fleming
2015-04-15 13:15       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 15:53         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-15 12:48   ` Matt Fleming
2015-04-14  9:44 ` [PATCH v4 2/2] efi: an sysfs interface for user to update efi firmware Kweh, Hock Leong
2015-04-14 14:09   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-14 15:52     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-15 13:20       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 15:45         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-16  0:19           ` Roy Franz
2015-04-17 13:50             ` Greg KH
2015-04-15 11:32     ` Kweh, Hock Leong
2015-04-15 13:19       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-16  9:42         ` Kweh, Hock Leong
2015-04-17 13:49           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-17 14:36             ` Matt Fleming
2015-04-20  3:28               ` Kweh, Hock Leong
2015-04-20 14:43                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-21  3:23                   ` Kweh, Hock Leong
2015-04-21  7:56                     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-22  1:21                       ` James Bottomley
2015-04-22  1:58                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-22  2:20                           ` James Bottomley
2015-04-22  3:24                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-22  4:51                               ` James Bottomley
2015-04-22 16:50                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-22 17:34                                   ` James Bottomley
2015-04-22 17:45                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-22 13:27                           ` Peter Jones
2015-04-22 15:18                             ` James Bottomley
2015-04-22 15:24                               ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-23  8:30                               ` Kweh, Hock Leong
2015-04-23 14:09                                 ` James Bottomley
2015-04-24  2:14                                   ` Kweh, Hock Leong
2015-04-24 15:16                                     ` James Bottomley
2015-04-27 21:59                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-27 22:35                                         ` James Bottomley
2015-04-27 22:40                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-27 22:51                                             ` James Bottomley
2015-04-29 11:23                                               ` Kweh, Hock Leong
2015-04-29 18:40                                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-29 21:37                                                   ` James Bottomley
2015-04-30  9:17                                                   ` Kweh, Hock Leong
2015-04-30 17:55                                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-29 21:35                                                 ` James Bottomley
2015-04-29 21:36                                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-29 21:39                                                     ` James Bottomley
2015-04-29 21:42                                                       ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2015-04-20 17:59             ` James Bottomley
2015-04-22 15:35         ` James Bottomley
2015-04-22 15:46           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-22 16:11             ` James Bottomley
2015-04-23  9:50               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-23 16:14                 ` James Bottomley
2015-04-23 20:38                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman

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