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From: Gregory Smith <gregorysmith1974a@gmail.com>
To: berenger.morel@neutralite.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: (Song) Fk SystemD
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 16:30:50 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALtyatFAD+oFjeZorw2cpNjCcvt1+Q=WSUhpvGxs-JxGSuTsLA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <061c07c6a45a9534cf6cfcc4e80fa245@neutralite.org>

"No software is finished"

This we fundamentally disagree on.
You are incorrect.

On 10/6/14, berenger.morel@neutralite.org <berenger.morel@neutralite.org> wrote:
> Le 06.10.2014 13:17, Gregory Smith a écrit :
>> What is needed is inaction,
>
> Huh.... I'm not a systemd lover, you know, but what you just wrote is
> weird!
> Seriously, I have so many problems at work because people never even
> tries to make code more readable, more secured, because "inaction is
> better". Systemd is excessive, yes. But inaction is never a good thing,
> no software is finished. There is always a way to enhance it, or to do
> things in a better way. Systemd tried, and convinced a lot of people
> (not me), so it was adopted by almost all distros, despite the problems
> it have.
>
>> what there was before systemd was fine.
>> Acting is the problem.
>
> Then, why not forking whatever was fine for you, and stop annoying
> people? Stop infringing the rules of this mailing list (because, I
> really doubt that insulting people is allowed)?
> You are enough systemd haters around to be able to maintain sysvinit, I
> don't doubt it. But, of course, it's easier to whine on a user list,
> annoying everyone which do not share your exact point of view, than
> acting yourself.
> With all mails on systemd's war, I am sure that there was enough time
> to do that, if people had actually acted.
>
> Oh... and, there *are* some people which acts. I do not like the
> systemd's direction, but I do think one of it's features is nice (the
> unit system). And I have discovered (maybe with a mail on this list? Or
> random searches? Not sure) that some people do act: there is uselessd,
> which is an alternative which removes lot of "features" of systemd, to
> go back to non-bloated software. There is also eudev, by gentoo,
> destined to replace udev. The same distro which produces openrc IIRC.
>
> See? There *are* alternatives (yes, I have seen some mails saying in
> title that there are no alternatives. I don't mind, I know it's wrong,
> because gentoo does not use systemd). So, stop whining, move! And if you
> want to stay on pure debian, I don't doubt people will be interested if
> someone packages those projects into Debian.
>

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-10-06 16:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-10-04 16:49 (Song) Fk SystemD Tom Collins
2014-10-04 17:40 ` Al Viro
2014-10-05 10:29   ` Gregory Smith
2014-10-05 10:54     ` Chuck Ebbert
2014-10-05 12:40       ` Gregory Smith
2014-10-05 21:11         ` Gregory Smith
     [not found] ` <9c4839d12e9bc5251493034e66b550d2@neutralite.org>
     [not found]   ` <CALtyatED0MG2=bKE7OicYmm5D3M1XkA9PrjSCfrp+3f0uT=SPg@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]     ` <061c07c6a45a9534cf6cfcc4e80fa245@neutralite.org>
2014-10-06 16:30       ` Gregory Smith [this message]
2014-10-07 15:33         ` berenger.morel
2014-11-17  2:08 SystemD Abomination

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