From: Rajaram R <rajaram.officemail@gmail.com>
To: Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net>
Cc: Badhri Jagan Sridharan <badhri@google.com>,
Heikki Krogerus <heikki.krogerus@linux.intel.com>,
Oliver Neukum <oneukum@suse.com>,
Mats Karrman <mats.dev.list@gmail.com>,
Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
Felipe Balbi <felipe.balbi@linux.intel.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
USB <linux-usb@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v17 2/3] usb: USB Type-C connector class
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 11:50:12 +0530 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAOiXhaLcCJfgFqz5m8aM=xcWCqeav1FRYwv9RWRg0CYoijHCNw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9485c5e8-6b79-0b93-d0e9-e7880aea9741@roeck-us.net>
On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 7:40 PM, Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net> wrote:
> On 04/25/2017 01:26 AM, Rajaram R wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 11:20 PM, Badhri Jagan Sridharan
>> <badhri@google.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 2:23 AM, Rajaram R <rajaram.officemail@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 10:13 PM, Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 07:57:52PM +0530, Rajaram R wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 1:16 AM, Badhri Jagan Sridharan
>>>>>> <badhri@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for the responses :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So seems like we have a plan.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In Type-C connector class the checks for TYPEC_PWR_MODE_PD
>>>>>>> and pd_revision for both the port and the partner will be removed in
>>>>>>> power_role_store and the data_role_store and will be delegated
>>>>>>> to the low level drivers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is important to remember what USB Type-C provide is mechanisms for
>>>>>> "TRYing" to become a particular role and not guaranteeing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With what device combination do you fore see we could get the desired
>>>>>> role with this change ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If the partner is not PD capable, if a preferred role is specified,
>>>>> if the current cole does not match the preferred role, and if the
>>>>> request
>>>>> is to set the role to match the preferred role, I think it is
>>>>> reasonable
>>>>> to expect that re-establishing the connection would accomplish that if
>>>>> the
>>>>> partner supports it.
>>>>>
>>>> In this context I believe we have two different inputs as follows:
>>>>
>>>> /sys/class/typec/<port>/supported_power_roles
>>>> /sys/class/typec/<port>/preferred_role
>>>>
>>>> The need of preferred role is required when DRP is set in
>>>> supported_power_roles option.
>>>> Ideally a battery powered device will TRY to be SNK and a a/c plugged
>>>> device will TRY to be SRC
>>>>
>>>> We need to understand which non-PD device will set to DRP? In the
>>>
>>>
>>> Android Phones (actually it could be any phone which has a type-c port)
>>> since it can act as usb gadget (when connected to PC) or Usb host
>>> when connected to peripherals such as thumb drives, keyboard etc.
>>> Phones with smaller form factors might be thermally limited to charge
>>> above 15W, therefore supporting PD might be an overkill for them.
>>>
>>>> current ecosystem all legacy devices
>>>> will sit behind adapters which either present an Rp or Rd.
>>>>
>>>> If it is a power adapter in 5V range can either present Rp or DRP with
>>>> TRY.SRC and there is no role swap requirement.
>>>>
>>>> If it is a laptop port or similar with non-PD (??) DRP there is no
>>>> guaranteed role swap in a non-PD mode.
>>>
>>>
>>> This is true, but following a Try.SRC or Try.SNK state machine can
>>> increase the chances of landing in the desired role/preferred role.
>>
>>
>> Agree and as indicated it increases only chances.
>>
>
> FWIW, this is pretty much the same as requesting a role change using PD.
> Based on my experience with various devices, the chance for that to succeed
> isn't really that high either.
>
> I am not really sure I understand your problem with using Try.{SRC,SNK}
> to trigger (or attempt to trigger) a role change. Can we take a step back,
> and can you explain ?
The parameters required for a type-c connection is defined as follows
and will have a default value.
/sys/class/typec/<port>/supported_power_roles
/sys/class/typec/<port>/preferred_role
When two DRP devices are connected and for which we have
preferred_role which provides input on the preference, In a DRP mode
we have randomness in the mode of connection and hence we require role
swap mechanisms. A Type-C only device cannot role swap as this is
valid only in PD operation.
# Question was how to choose a particular role in non-PD mode. Only
way to have a deterministic role in a non-PD mode is to set expected
supported_role of choice rather than DRP.
# As part of the solution suggested, checking of roles and triggering
role swaps has to be done by the policy manager(PM) and delinked from
Policy Engine. I guess the policy manager is at user space?.
I do not have the complete git repo and may be i could be missing
something. If this is in any public git please let me know
>
> Thanks,
> Guenter
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-04-27 6:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-02-21 14:24 [PATCH v17 0/3] USB Type-C Connector class Heikki Krogerus
2017-02-21 14:24 ` [PATCH v17 1/3] lib/string: add sysfs_match_string helper Heikki Krogerus
2017-02-21 14:24 ` [PATCH v17 2/3] usb: USB Type-C connector class Heikki Krogerus
2017-03-02 15:22 ` Mats Karrman
2017-03-03 3:13 ` Guenter Roeck
2017-03-03 7:29 ` Mats Karrman
2017-03-03 9:48 ` Enric Balletbo Serra
2017-03-03 12:59 ` Heikki Krogerus
2017-03-03 14:49 ` Guenter Roeck
2017-03-03 19:27 ` Mats Karrman
2017-03-06 9:37 ` Oliver Neukum
2017-03-06 13:14 ` Heikki Krogerus
2017-03-07 22:30 ` Mats Karrman
2017-03-08 1:38 ` Guenter Roeck
2017-04-08 23:09 ` USB Type-C Port Manager API concern Mats Karrman
2017-04-09 15:16 ` Guenter Roeck
2017-04-09 21:05 ` Mats Karrman
2017-04-14 2:57 ` Guenter Roeck
2017-04-14 8:30 ` Mats Karrman
2017-03-08 13:58 ` [PATCH v17 2/3] usb: USB Type-C connector class Heikki Krogerus
2017-03-10 22:22 ` Mats Karrman
2017-03-10 23:41 ` Guenter Roeck
2017-04-18 18:52 ` Badhri Jagan Sridharan
2017-04-19 11:23 ` Heikki Krogerus
2017-04-19 14:45 ` Badhri Jagan Sridharan
2017-04-19 15:14 ` Guenter Roeck
2017-04-19 17:22 ` Badhri Jagan Sridharan
2017-04-19 19:29 ` Guenter Roeck
2017-04-20 12:24 ` Heikki Krogerus
2017-04-20 19:46 ` Badhri Jagan Sridharan
2017-04-21 12:12 ` Heikki Krogerus
2017-04-21 13:14 ` Guenter Roeck
2017-04-21 14:27 ` Rajaram R
2017-04-21 16:43 ` Guenter Roeck
2017-04-22 9:23 ` Rajaram R
2017-04-24 17:50 ` Badhri Jagan Sridharan
2017-04-25 8:26 ` Rajaram R
2017-04-25 14:10 ` Guenter Roeck
2017-04-27 6:20 ` Rajaram R [this message]
2017-04-27 18:10 ` Guenter Roeck
2017-04-28 10:52 ` Heikki Krogerus
2017-04-20 11:55 ` Heikki Krogerus
2017-03-03 14:41 ` Guenter Roeck
2017-03-03 3:35 ` Peter Chen
2017-03-03 4:29 ` Guenter Roeck
2017-03-03 4:52 ` Peter Chen
2017-03-03 14:36 ` Guenter Roeck
2017-03-06 1:24 ` Peter Chen
2017-03-03 14:31 ` Heikki Krogerus
2017-03-06 1:15 ` Peter Chen
2017-03-06 13:16 ` Heikki Krogerus
2017-03-07 1:36 ` Peter Chen
2017-03-07 8:57 ` Heikki Krogerus
2017-03-08 1:53 ` Guenter Roeck
2017-03-08 6:50 ` Peter Chen
2017-03-08 14:44 ` Guenter Roeck
2017-03-09 2:00 ` Peter Chen
2017-02-21 14:24 ` [PATCH v17 3/3] usb: typec: add driver for Intel Whiskey Cove PMIC USB Type-C PHY Heikki Krogerus
2017-02-21 15:42 ` [PATCH v17 0/3] USB Type-C Connector class Felipe Balbi
2017-03-21 11:14 ` Heikki Krogerus
2017-03-21 10:23 ` Greg KH
2017-03-21 10:37 ` Heikki Krogerus
2017-03-22 21:15 ` Mats Karrman
2017-03-23 8:16 ` Heikki Krogerus
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