From: Dave Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>
To: Alex Deucher <alexdeucher@gmail.com>
Cc: "Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@redhat.com>,
tzimmermann@suse.de, corbet@lwn.net,
nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
bskeggs@redhat.com, jason@jlekstrand.net, airlied@redhat.com,
"Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH drm-next 00/14] [RFC] DRM GPUVA Manager & Nouveau VM_BIND UAPI
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 05:17:16 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPM=9txMZO1uYj+kVdTfmCwV2Fq8uu_b3i4eq4xhqPEPKBW8Eg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADnq5_Nh-1esiHzvTG+qFBCfMjy21efX-YN2jfGG=WC+-4LwLQ@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 at 02:54, Alex Deucher <alexdeucher@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 11:50 AM Danilo Krummrich <dakr@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On 1/18/23 17:30, Alex Deucher wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 11:19 AM Danilo Krummrich <dakr@redhat.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On 1/18/23 16:37, Christian König wrote:
> > >>> Am 18.01.23 um 16:34 schrieb Danilo Krummrich:
> > >>>> Hi Christian,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 1/18/23 09:53, Christian König wrote:
> > >>>>> Am 18.01.23 um 07:12 schrieb Danilo Krummrich:
> > >>>>>> This patch series provides a new UAPI for the Nouveau driver in
> > >>>>>> order to
> > >>>>>> support Vulkan features, such as sparse bindings and sparse residency.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Furthermore, with the DRM GPUVA manager it provides a new DRM core
> > >>>>>> feature to
> > >>>>>> keep track of GPU virtual address (VA) mappings in a more generic way.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> The DRM GPUVA manager is indented to help drivers implement
> > >>>>>> userspace-manageable
> > >>>>>> GPU VA spaces in reference to the Vulkan API. In order to achieve
> > >>>>>> this goal it
> > >>>>>> serves the following purposes in this context.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> 1) Provide a dedicated range allocator to track GPU VA
> > >>>>>> allocations and
> > >>>>>> mappings, making use of the drm_mm range allocator.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> This means that the ranges are allocated by the kernel? If yes that's
> > >>>>> a really really bad idea.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> No, it's just for keeping track of the ranges userspace has allocated.
> > >>>
> > >>> Ok, that makes more sense.
> > >>>
> > >>> So basically you have an IOCTL which asks kernel for a free range? Or
> > >>> what exactly is the drm_mm used for here?
> > >>
> > >> Not even that, userspace provides both the base address and the range,
> > >> the kernel really just keeps track of things. Though, writing a UAPI on
> > >> top of the GPUVA manager asking for a free range instead would be
> > >> possible by just adding the corresponding wrapper functions to get a
> > >> free hole.
> > >>
> > >> Currently, and that's what I think I read out of your question, the main
> > >> benefit of using drm_mm over simply stuffing the entries into a list or
> > >> something boils down to easier collision detection and iterating
> > >> sub-ranges of the whole VA space.
> > >
> > > Why not just do this in userspace? We have a range manager in
> > > libdrm_amdgpu that you could lift out into libdrm or some other
> > > helper.
> >
> > The kernel still needs to keep track of the mappings within the various
> > VA spaces, e.g. it silently needs to unmap mappings that are backed by
> > BOs that get evicted and remap them once they're validated (or swapped
> > back in).
>
> Ok, you are just using this for maintaining the GPU VM space in the kernel.
>
Yes the idea behind having common code wrapping drm_mm for this is to
allow us to make the rules consistent across drivers.
Userspace (generally Vulkan, some compute) has interfaces that pretty
much dictate a lot of how VMA tracking works, esp around lifetimes,
sparse mappings and splitting/merging underlying page tables, I'd
really like this to be more consistent across drivers, because already
I think we've seen with freedreno some divergence from amdgpu and we
also have i915/xe to deal with. I'd like to at least have one place
that we can say this is how it should work, since this is something
that *should* be consistent across drivers mostly, as it is more about
how the uapi is exposed.
Dave.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-01-18 19:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-01-18 6:12 [PATCH drm-next 00/14] [RFC] DRM GPUVA Manager & Nouveau VM_BIND UAPI Danilo Krummrich
2023-01-18 6:12 ` [PATCH drm-next 01/14] drm: execution context for GEM buffers Danilo Krummrich
2023-01-18 6:12 ` [PATCH drm-next 02/14] drm/exec: fix memory leak in drm_exec_prepare_obj() Danilo Krummrich
2023-01-18 8:51 ` Christian König
2023-01-18 19:00 ` Danilo Krummrich
2023-01-18 6:12 ` [PATCH drm-next 03/14] drm: manager to keep track of GPUs VA mappings Danilo Krummrich
2023-01-19 4:14 ` Bagas Sanjaya
2023-01-23 23:23 ` Niranjana Vishwanathapura
2023-01-26 23:43 ` Matthew Brost
2023-01-27 0:24 ` Matthew Brost
2023-02-03 17:37 ` Matthew Brost
2023-02-06 13:35 ` Christian König
2023-02-06 13:46 ` Danilo Krummrich
2023-02-14 11:52 ` Danilo Krummrich
2023-01-18 6:12 ` [PATCH drm-next 04/14] drm: debugfs: provide infrastructure to dump a DRM GPU VA space Danilo Krummrich
2023-01-18 13:55 ` kernel test robot
2023-01-18 15:47 ` kernel test robot
2023-01-18 6:12 ` [PATCH drm-next 05/14] drm/nouveau: new VM_BIND uapi interfaces Danilo Krummrich
2023-01-27 1:05 ` Matthew Brost
2023-01-27 1:26 ` Danilo Krummrich
2023-01-27 7:55 ` Christian König
2023-01-27 13:12 ` Danilo Krummrich
2023-01-27 13:23 ` Christian König
2023-01-27 14:44 ` Danilo Krummrich
2023-01-27 15:17 ` Christian König
2023-01-27 20:25 ` David Airlie
2023-01-30 12:58 ` Christian König
2023-01-27 21:09 ` Danilo Krummrich
2023-01-29 18:46 ` Danilo Krummrich
2023-01-30 13:02 ` Christian König
2023-01-30 23:38 ` Danilo Krummrich
2023-02-01 8:10 ` [Nouveau] " Dave Airlie
2023-02-02 11:53 ` Christian König
2023-02-02 18:31 ` Danilo Krummrich
2023-02-06 9:48 ` Christian König
2023-02-06 13:27 ` Danilo Krummrich
2023-02-06 16:14 ` Christian König
2023-02-06 18:20 ` Danilo Krummrich
2023-02-07 9:35 ` Christian König
2023-02-07 10:50 ` Danilo Krummrich
2023-02-10 11:50 ` Christian König
2023-02-10 12:47 ` Danilo Krummrich
2023-01-27 1:43 ` Danilo Krummrich
2023-01-27 3:21 ` Matthew Brost
2023-01-27 3:33 ` Danilo Krummrich
2023-01-18 6:12 ` [PATCH drm-next 06/14] drm/nouveau: get vmm via nouveau_cli_vmm() Danilo Krummrich
2023-01-18 6:12 ` [PATCH drm-next 07/14] drm/nouveau: bo: initialize GEM GPU VA interface Danilo Krummrich
2023-01-18 6:12 ` [PATCH drm-next 08/14] drm/nouveau: move usercopy helpers to nouveau_drv.h Danilo Krummrich
2023-01-18 6:12 ` [PATCH drm-next 09/14] drm/nouveau: fence: fail to emit when fence context is killed Danilo Krummrich
2023-01-18 6:12 ` [PATCH drm-next 10/14] drm/nouveau: chan: provide nouveau_channel_kill() Danilo Krummrich
2023-01-18 6:12 ` [PATCH drm-next 11/14] drm/nouveau: nvkm/vmm: implement raw ops to manage uvmm Danilo Krummrich
2023-01-18 9:37 ` kernel test robot
2023-01-20 3:37 ` kernel test robot
2023-01-18 6:12 ` [PATCH drm-next 12/14] drm/nouveau: implement uvmm for user mode bindings Danilo Krummrich
2023-01-18 6:12 ` [PATCH drm-next 13/14] drm/nouveau: implement new VM_BIND UAPI Danilo Krummrich
2023-01-18 8:37 ` kernel test robot
2023-01-18 20:37 ` Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2023-01-19 3:44 ` Danilo Krummrich
2023-01-19 4:58 ` Matthew Brost
2023-01-19 7:32 ` Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2023-01-20 10:08 ` Boris Brezillon
2023-01-18 6:12 ` [PATCH drm-next 14/14] drm/nouveau: debugfs: implement DRM GPU VA debugfs Danilo Krummrich
2023-01-18 8:53 ` [PATCH drm-next 00/14] [RFC] DRM GPUVA Manager & Nouveau VM_BIND UAPI Christian König
2023-01-18 15:34 ` Danilo Krummrich
2023-01-18 15:37 ` Christian König
2023-01-18 16:19 ` Danilo Krummrich
2023-01-18 16:30 ` Alex Deucher
2023-01-18 16:50 ` Danilo Krummrich
2023-01-18 16:54 ` Alex Deucher
2023-01-18 19:17 ` Dave Airlie [this message]
2023-01-18 19:48 ` Christian König
2023-01-19 4:04 ` Danilo Krummrich
2023-01-19 5:23 ` Matthew Brost
2023-01-19 11:33 ` drm_gpuva_manager requirements (was Re: [PATCH drm-next 00/14] [RFC] DRM GPUVA Manager & Nouveau VM_BIND UAPI) Christian König
2023-02-06 14:48 ` [PATCH drm-next 00/14] [RFC] DRM GPUVA Manager & Nouveau VM_BIND UAPI Oded Gabbay
2023-03-16 16:39 ` Danilo Krummrich
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