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From: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: Jared Hulbert <jaredeh@gmail.com>
Cc: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@linux.intel.com>,
	Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.com>,
	Linux FS Devel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-nvdimm <linux-nvdimm@ml01.01.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] dax: fix bdev NULL pointer dereferences
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 22:46:25 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPcyv4gGEAfVCoGmABBK4jLkkQpgcT==wBjfOMBRSq_DQXY7gw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+ZsKJ7RVX6EiMoPd62pOjgKWuSxizn8nuZwVJHqNwx3gbHrJg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:06 PM, Jared Hulbert <jaredeh@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, Feb 01, 2016 at 03:51:47PM +0100, Jan Kara wrote:
>>> On Sat 30-01-16 00:28:33, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
>>> > On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 11:28:15AM -0700, Ross Zwisler wrote:
>>> > > I guess I need to go off and understand if we can have DAX mappings on such a
>>> > > device.  If we can, we may have a problem - we can get the block_device from
>>> > > get_block() in I/O path and the various fault paths, but we don't have access
>>> > > to get_block() when flushing via dax_writeback_mapping_range().  We avoid
>>> > > needing it the normal case by storing the sector results from get_block() in
>>> > > the radix tree.
>>> >
>>> > I think we're doing it wrong by storing the sector in the radix tree; we'd
>>> > really need to store both the sector and the bdev which is too much data.
>>> >
>>> > If we store the PFN of the underlying page instead, we don't have this
>>> > problem.  Instead, we have a different problem; of the device going
>>> > away under us.  I'm trying to find the code which tears down PTEs when
>>> > the device goes away, and I'm not seeing it.  What do we do about user
>>> > mappings of the device?
>>>
>>> So I don't have a strong opinion whether storing PFN or sector is better.
>>> Maybe PFN is somewhat more generic but OTOH turning DAX off for special
>>> cases like inodes on XFS RT devices would be IMHO fine.
>>
>> We need to support alternate devices.
>
> Embedded devices trying to use NOR Flash to free up RAM was
> historically one of the more prevalent real world uses of the old
> filemap_xip.c code although the users never made it to mainline.  So I
> spent some time last week trying to figure out how to make a subset of
> DAX not depend on CONFIG_BLOCK.  It was a very frustrating and
> unfruitful experience.  I discarded my main conclusion as impractical,
> but now that I see the difficultly DAX faces in dealing with
> "alternate devices" especially some of the crazy stuff btrfs can do, I
> wonder if it's not so crazy after all.
>
> Lets stop calling bdev_direct_access() directly from DAX.  Let the
> filesystems do it.
>
> Sure we could enable generic_dax_direct_access() helper for the
> filesystems that only support single devices to make it easy.  But XFS
> and btrfs for example, have to do the work of figuring out what bdev
> is required and then calling bdev_direct_access().
>
> My reasoning is that the filesystem knows how to map inodes and
> offsets to devices and sectors, no matter how complex that is.  It
> would even enable a filesystem to intelligently use a mix of
> direct_access and regular block devices down the road.  Of course it
> would also make the block-less solution doable.
>
> Good idea?  Stupid idea?

The CONFIG_BLOCK=y case isn't going anywhere, so if anything it seems
the CONFIG_BLOCK=n is an incremental feature in its own right.  What
driver and what filesystem are looking to enable this XIP support in?

  reply	other threads:[~2016-02-02  6:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-01-28 19:35 [PATCH 1/2] block: fix pfn_mkwrite() DAX fault handler Ross Zwisler
2016-01-28 19:35 ` [PATCH 2/2] dax: fix bdev NULL pointer dereferences Ross Zwisler
2016-01-28 20:21   ` Dan Williams
2016-01-28 21:38   ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-01-29 18:28     ` Ross Zwisler
2016-01-29 23:34       ` Ross Zwisler
2016-01-30  0:18         ` Dan Williams
2016-01-31 22:44         ` Dave Chinner
2016-01-30  5:28       ` Matthew Wilcox
2016-01-30  6:01         ` Dan Williams
2016-01-30  7:08           ` Jared Hulbert
2016-01-31  2:32           ` Matthew Wilcox
2016-01-31  6:12             ` Ross Zwisler
2016-01-31 10:55               ` Matthew Wilcox
2016-01-31 16:38                 ` Dan Williams
2016-01-31 18:07                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2016-01-31 18:18                     ` Dan Williams
2016-01-31 18:27                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2016-01-31 18:50                         ` Dan Williams
2016-01-31 19:51                     ` Dan Williams
2016-02-01 13:44             ` Matthew Wilcox
2016-02-01 14:51         ` Jan Kara
2016-02-01 20:49           ` Matthew Wilcox
2016-02-01 21:47           ` Dave Chinner
2016-02-02  6:06             ` Jared Hulbert
2016-02-02  6:46               ` Dan Williams [this message]
2016-02-02  8:05                 ` Jared Hulbert
2016-02-02 16:51                   ` Dan Williams
2016-02-02 21:46                     ` Jared Hulbert
2016-02-03  0:34                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2016-02-03  1:21                         ` Jared Hulbert
2016-02-02 11:17             ` Jan Kara
2016-02-02 16:33               ` Dan Williams
2016-02-02 16:46                 ` Jan Kara
2016-02-02 17:10                   ` Dan Williams
2016-02-02 17:34                     ` Ross Zwisler
2016-02-02 17:46                       ` Dan Williams
2016-02-02 17:47                         ` Dan Williams
2016-02-02 18:24                           ` Ross Zwisler
2016-02-02 18:46                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2016-02-02 18:59                           ` Dan Williams
2016-02-02 20:14                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2016-02-03 11:09                           ` Jan Kara
2016-02-03 10:46                       ` Jan Kara
2016-02-03 20:13                         ` Ross Zwisler
2016-02-04  9:15                           ` Jan Kara
2016-02-04 23:38                             ` Ross Zwisler
2016-02-06 23:15                             ` Dave Chinner
2016-02-07  5:27                               ` Ross Zwisler
2016-02-04 19:56                         ` Ross Zwisler
2016-02-04 20:29                           ` Jan Kara
2016-02-04 22:19                             ` Ross Zwisler
2016-02-05 22:25                             ` Ross Zwisler
2016-02-06 23:40                               ` Dave Chinner
2016-02-07  6:43                                 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-02-08 13:48                                   ` Jan Kara
2016-02-07  8:38                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-02-08 15:55                                 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-02-02 18:41               ` Ross Zwisler
2016-02-02 18:53                 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-02-02  0:02     ` Ross Zwisler
2016-02-02  7:10       ` Dave Chinner
2016-02-02 10:34       ` Jan Kara

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