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From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: nconway.list@ukaea.org.uk (Neil Conway)
Cc: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox),
	rmk@arm.linux.org.uk (Russell King),
	dalecki@evision-ventures.com (Martin Dalecki),
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] 2.5.15 IDE 61
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 15:45:55 +0100 (BST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E177dYp-00083c-00@the-village.bc.nu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3CE10B2B.822CA194@ukaea.org.uk> from "Neil Conway" at May 14, 2002 02:03:39 PM

> I think you're wrong Alan.  Take a good IDE chipset as an example: both
> channels can be active at the same time, but you still can't talk to one
> drive while the other drive on the same channel is DMAing.

Sure.

> I'm not a block layer expert, but it appears to me that the block layer
> only synchronises requests by use of the spinlock.  If I'm right, then
> the block layer has no way of knowing that hda is DMAing when a request
> is initiated for hdb.  This was the whole reason (as I see it) that
> hwgroup->busy existed: to prevent attempts to use the same IDE cable for
> two things at the same time.

The newer block code has queues. Its up to the block layer to deal with
the queue locking.

> It doesn't matter how you perform the queue abstraction in this case:
> the fact that the device+channel+cable is busy in an asynchronous manner
> makes it impossible for the block layer to deal with this.  [[Or am I
> way off base?!]]

I think you are way off base. If you have a single queue for both hda and
hdb then requests will get dumped into that in a way that processing that
queue implicitly does the ordering you require.

>From an abstract hardware point of view each ide controller is a queue not
each device. Not following that is I think the cause of much of the existing
pain and suffering.

Alan

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-05-14 15:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-05-14  9:49 [PATCH] 2.5.15 IDE 61 Neil Conway
2002-05-14  8:52 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-14 10:12   ` Neil Conway
2002-05-14  9:30     ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-14 11:10       ` Neil Conway
2002-05-14 10:21         ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-14 11:38           ` Russell King
2002-05-14 10:49             ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-14 12:10             ` Alan Cox
2002-05-14 11:11               ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-14 12:47                 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-14 12:30                   ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-15 14:43                 ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-14 12:00               ` Russell King
2002-05-14 11:03                 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-14 13:03               ` Neil Conway
2002-05-14 13:27                 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-05-14 14:45                 ` Alan Cox [this message]
2002-05-14 14:30                   ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-14 16:20                     ` Neil Conway
2002-05-14 16:32                       ` Jens Axboe
2002-05-14 16:47                         ` Neil Conway
2002-05-14 16:51                           ` Jens Axboe
2002-05-15 11:37                             ` Neil Conway
2002-05-14 22:51                           ` Mike Fedyk
2002-05-14 16:26                     ` Jens Axboe
2002-05-14 19:34                     ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-05-15  6:16                       ` Jens Axboe
2002-05-15  8:32                         ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-05-15  9:42                           ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-15  9:32                       ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-15 11:44                         ` Neil Conway
2002-05-15 11:02                           ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-15 13:10                             ` Alan Cox
2002-05-15 13:34                               ` Neil Conway
2002-05-15 13:04                                 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-15 14:08                               ` benh
2002-05-15 16:40                         ` Denis Vlasenko
2002-05-15 11:55                           ` Neil Conway
2002-05-17  7:07                             ` Mike Fedyk
2002-05-17 11:06                               ` Neil Conway
2002-05-17 10:12                                 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-05-14 16:03                   ` Neil Conway
2002-05-14 16:46                     ` Alan Cox
2002-05-14 12:52       ` Daniela Engert
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-05-06  3:53 Linux-2.5.14 Linus Torvalds
2002-05-13  9:48 ` [PATCH] 2.5.15 IDE 61 Martin Dalecki

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