From: "Michael Kelley (LINUX)" <mikelley@microsoft.com>
To: Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>
Cc: jason <jason@zx2c4.com>,
Andy Shevchenko <andy.shevchenko@gmail.com>,
"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-crypto <linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org>,
ACPI Devel Maling List <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>,
Alexander Graf <graf@amazon.com>,
Mika Westerberg <mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com>,
Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com>, Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: RE: [PATCH 2/3 v6] ACPI: allow longer device IDs
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2022 22:38:24 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <MN0PR21MB3098EC13B4E8488E692DB28AD7019@MN0PR21MB3098.namprd21.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMj1kXFZZoOeXnjxdU+gOJTN=Szn=eiXgRhSS9_nnHgwADNHjA@mail.gmail.com>
From: Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2022 2:22 PM
>
> On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 at 23:14, Michael Kelley (LINUX)
> <mikelley@microsoft.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: Jason A. Donenfeld <Jason@zx2c4.com> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2022
> 1:55 PM
> > >
> > > Hi Andy,
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 10:28 PM Andy Shevchenko
> > > <andy.shevchenko@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > My point is that this is clear abuse of the spec and:
> > > > 1) we have to enable the broken, because it is already in the wild with
> > > > the comment that this is an issue
> > > >
> > > > AND
> > > >
> > > > 2) issue an ECR / work with MS to make sure they understand the problem.
> > > >
> > > > This can be done in parallel. What I meant as a prerequisite is to start doing
> > > > 2) while we have 1) on table.
> > >
> > > Oh, okay, that makes sense. If you want to get (2) going, by all means
> > > go for it. I have no idea how to do this myself; Ard said something
> > > about joining the UEFI forum as an individual something or another but
> > > I don't think I'm the man for the job there. Is this something that
> > > Intel can do with their existing membership (is that the right term?)
> > > at the UEFI forum? Or maybe a Microsoft engineer on the list?
> >
> > My team at Microsoft, which works on Linux, filed a bug on this
> > issue against the Hyper-V team about a year ago, probably when the issue
> > was raised during the previous attempt to implement the functionality
> > in Linux. I've talked with the Hyper-V dev manager, and they acknowledge
> > that the ACPI entry Hyper-V provides to guest VMs violates the spec. But
> > changing to an identifier that meets the spec is problematic because
> > of backwards compatibility with Windows guests on Hyper-V that
> > consume the current identifier. There's no practical way to have Hyper-V
> > provide a conformant identifier AND fix all the Windows guests out in
> > the wild to consume the new identifier. As a result, at this point Hyper-V
> > is not planning to change anything.
> >
> > It's a lousy state-of-affairs, but as mentioned previously in this thread,
> > it seems to be one that we will have to live with.
> >
>
> Thanks for chiming in.
>
> Why not do something like
>
> Name (_CID, Package (2) { "VM_GEN_COUNTER", "VMGENCTR" } )
>
> ?
>
> That way, older clients can match on the existing _CID and new clients
> can match on the spec compliant one.
I'll run this by the Hyper-V guys. I don't have the ACPI expertise to disagree
with them when they say they can't change it. :-(
Michael
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-02-28 22:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-02-26 22:06 [PATCH v5 0/3] ACPI: VM fork detection for RNG Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-02-26 22:06 ` [PATCH v5 1/3] random: add mechanism for VM forks to reinitialize crng Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-02-26 22:06 ` [PATCH v5 2/3] ACPI: allow longer device IDs Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-02-27 7:31 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-02-27 7:37 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-02-27 10:03 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-02-27 10:30 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-02-27 10:47 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-02-27 11:38 ` Alexander Graf
2022-02-27 11:43 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-02-27 11:48 ` Alexander Graf
2022-02-27 11:59 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-02-27 11:42 ` Alexander Graf
2022-02-27 12:43 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-02-27 23:27 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-02-28 18:19 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2022-02-28 18:21 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-02-28 18:33 ` [PATCH 2/3 v6] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-02-28 20:46 ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-02-28 20:58 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-02-28 21:02 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-02-28 21:27 ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-02-28 21:54 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-02-28 22:14 ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2022-02-28 22:17 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-02-28 22:21 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-02-28 22:38 ` Michael Kelley (LINUX) [this message]
2022-02-28 22:46 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-03-22 19:58 ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2022-03-22 20:11 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-03-24 19:25 ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2022-03-22 22:06 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-03-24 19:24 ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2022-03-24 19:45 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-03-24 20:14 ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2022-03-01 13:12 ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-02-28 22:00 ` Alexander Graf
2022-02-28 22:17 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-03-01 10:35 ` Hans de Goede
2022-03-01 10:38 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-03-01 10:49 ` Hans de Goede
2022-03-01 14:25 ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-03-01 14:48 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-03-01 12:29 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2022-03-01 10:31 ` [PATCH v5 2/3] " Hans de Goede
2022-02-26 22:06 ` [PATCH v5 3/3] virt: vmgenid: introduce driver for reinitializing RNG on VM fork Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-03-06 16:02 ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
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