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From: Alexander Viro <viro@math.psu.edu>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: "Stephen C. Tweedie" <sct@redhat.com>,
	Russell Cattelan <cattelan@thebarn.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Test12 ll_rw_block error.
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 02:00:19 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0012150150570.11106-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10012142208420.1308-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>



On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Linus Torvalds wrote:

> Good point. 
> 
> This actually looks fairly nasty to fix. The obvious fix would be to not
> put such buffers on the dirty list at all, and instead rely on the VM
> layer calling "writepage()" when it wants to push out the pages.
> That would be the nice behaviour from a VM standpoint.
> 
> However, that assumes that you don't have any "anonymous" buffers, which
> is probably an unrealistic assumption.
> 
> The problem is that we don't have any per-buffer "writebuffer()" function,
> the way we have them per-page. It was never needed for any of the normal
> filesystems, and XFS just happened to be able to take advantage of the
> b_end_io behaviour.
> 
> Suggestions welcome. 

Just one: any fs that really cares about completion callback is very likely
to be picky about the requests ordering. So sync_buffers() is very unlikely
to be useful anyway.

In that sense we really don't have anonymous buffers here. I seriously
suspect that "unrealistic" assumption is not unrealistic at all. I'm
not sufficiently familiar with XFS code to say for sure, but...

What we really need is a way for VFS/VM to pass the pressure on filesystem.
That's it. If fs wants unusual completions for requests - let it have its
own queueing mechanism and submit these requests when it finds that convenient.

Stephen, you probably already thought about that area. Could you comment on
that?
								Cheers,
									Al

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Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <3A398F84.2CD3039D@thebarn.com>
2000-12-15  6:20 ` Test12 ll_rw_block error Linus Torvalds
2000-12-15  7:00   ` Alexander Viro [this message]
2000-12-15  9:14     ` Chris Mason
2000-12-17  0:54       ` Russell Cattelan
2000-12-17 12:20         ` Chris Mason
2000-12-15 10:51     ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-12-15 19:04       ` Linus Torvalds
2000-12-17  1:08       ` Russell Cattelan
2000-12-18 11:44         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-12-17  2:38       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2000-12-18 11:46         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-12-19 14:05           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2000-12-19 16:43             ` Daniel Phillips
2000-12-19 17:18               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2000-12-19 17:40               ` Christoph Hellwig
2000-12-21 23:25           ` [RFC] changes to buffer.c (was Test12 ll_rw_block error) Chris Mason
2000-12-22  0:19             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2000-12-22  2:20               ` Andreas Dilger
2000-12-22  0:38                 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2000-12-22 13:56                   ` Chris Mason
2000-12-22 16:45                     ` Daniel Phillips
2000-12-22 19:35                       ` Chris Mason
2000-12-22 15:07                   ` Chris Mason
2000-12-22 19:52                     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2000-12-22 23:18                       ` Chris Mason
2000-12-22 23:26                         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2000-12-23 18:21                           ` Chris Mason
2000-12-23 19:02                             ` Linus Torvalds
2000-12-23 19:25                               ` Chris Mason
2000-12-23 15:47                         ` Daniel Phillips
2000-12-27  0:57                       ` Chris Mason
2000-12-26 23:18                         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2000-12-27 20:26                         ` Daniel Phillips
2000-12-27 20:49                           ` Chris Mason
2000-12-28 15:49                             ` Daniel Phillips
2000-12-28 19:19                               ` Chris Mason
2000-12-28 19:29                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2000-12-29 16:03                                   ` Chris Mason
2000-12-29 16:21                                     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2000-12-29 18:33                                       ` Alexander Viro
2001-01-05 15:54                                         ` Chris Mason
2001-01-05 15:43                                           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-01-05 17:49                                             ` Daniel Phillips
2001-01-05 17:52                                             ` Chris Mason
2001-01-05 19:51                                             ` Chris Mason
2001-01-05 18:32                                               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-01-05 20:29                                                 ` Rik van Riel
2001-01-05 18:43                                                   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-01-05 20:37                                                     ` Rik van Riel
2001-01-05 21:08                                                 ` Chris Mason
2001-01-05 18:09                                           ` Juergen Schneider
2000-12-29 17:58                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-01-02 15:49                                       ` Chris Mason
2000-12-22  1:54             ` Alexander Viro
2000-12-22 13:49               ` Chris Mason
2000-12-17  0:51     ` Test12 ll_rw_block error Russell Cattelan
2000-12-17  0:21   ` Russell Cattelan
2000-12-16  0:58 Jeff Chua
2000-12-16  1:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2000-12-16 17:13   ` Chris Mason
2000-12-16 19:07     ` Linus Torvalds
2000-12-16 19:35       ` Chris Mason
     [not found] <3A398D58.92BBC9A4@thebarn.com>
2000-12-15  3:28 ` Linus Torvalds
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2000-12-15  2:02 Russell Cattelan
2000-12-15  2:48 ` Linus Torvalds

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