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From: Alexander Viro <viro@math.psu.edu>
To: Jamie Lokier <lk@tantalophile.demon.co.uk>
Cc: Daniel Phillips <phillips@arcor.de>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Question about pseudo filesystems
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 21:39:13 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0209092136190.4087-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020909235654.A5875@kushida.apsleyroad.org>



On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Jamie Lokier wrote:

> Daniel Phillips wrote:
> > > The expected behaviour is as it has always been: rmmod fails if anyone
> > > is using the module, and succeeds if nobody is using the module.  The
> > > garbage collection of modules is done using "rmmod -a" periodically, as
> > > it always has been.
> > 
> > When you say 'rmmod modulename' the module is supposed to be removed, if
> > it can be.  That is the user's expectation, and qualifies as 'obviously
> > correct'.
> > 
> > Garbage collecting should *not* be the primary mechanism for removing
> > modules, that is what rmmod is for.  Neither should a filesystem module
> > magically disappear from the system just because the last mount went
> > away, unless the module writer very specifically desires that.  This is
> > where the obfuscating opinion is coming from: Al has come up with an
> > application where he wants the magic disappearing behavior and wants
> > to impose it on the rest of the world, regardless of whether it makes
> > sense.

Huh?
 
> I think you've misunderstood.  The module does _not_ disappear when the
> last file reference is closed.  It's reference count is decremented,
> that is all.  Just the same as if you managed the reference count
> yourself.  You still need rmmod to actually remove the module.

Never let the facts to stand in a way of a rant.  Or presume that ability to
write implies ability to read, for that matter...


  reply	other threads:[~2002-09-10  1:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-09-04 18:02 Question about pseudo filesystems Jamie Lokier
2002-09-07 12:00 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-07 13:36   ` Alexander Viro
2002-09-07 18:27     ` Jamie Lokier
2002-09-07 19:47       ` Alexander Viro
2002-09-08  2:21         ` Jamie Lokier
2002-09-08  2:43           ` Alexander Viro
2002-09-15  1:41             ` Moving a mount point (was Re: Question about pseudo filesystems) Rob Landley
2002-09-08 16:00           ` Question about pseudo filesystems Daniel Phillips
2002-09-09 19:48             ` Jamie Lokier
2002-09-09 20:06               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-10  0:44                 ` Jamie Lokier
2002-09-10  1:40                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-10  1:56                     ` Jamie Lokier
2002-09-10  2:53                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-10  3:26                         ` Jamie Lokier
2002-09-10  3:47                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-10  9:15                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-10 10:17                     ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-11 18:35                       ` [RFC] Raceless module interface Daniel Phillips
2002-09-11 18:53                         ` Oliver Neukum
2002-09-11 19:20                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-11 20:29                             ` Oliver Neukum
2002-09-11 21:15                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-11 21:26                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2002-09-11 21:47                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-12  1:42                                     ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-12  2:09                                       ` Jamie Lokier
2002-09-12  3:13                                         ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-12  3:47                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-12  3:53                                             ` Alexander Viro
2002-09-12  4:11                                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-12  4:40                                                 ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-12  5:27                                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-12 14:46                                                   ` Gerhard Mack
2002-09-13  0:39                                                     ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-13  2:23                                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-12  5:35                                                 ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-12  4:52                                             ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-12  5:58                                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-12  7:00                                                 ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-13  8:18                                           ` Helge Hafting
2002-09-12  3:32                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-12  1:31                         ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-12  9:10                         ` Oliver Neukum
2002-09-12 11:27                         ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-12 13:03                           ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-12 13:44                             ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-13  1:30                               ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-13  2:19                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-13  6:51                                   ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-13 13:34                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-13 13:52                                       ` Thunder from the hill
2002-09-13 14:09                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-13 14:33                                           ` Thunder from the hill
2002-09-13 14:44                                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-13 14:59                                               ` Thunder from the hill
2002-09-13 15:17                                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-13 15:27                                                   ` Thunder from the hill
2002-09-13 15:37                                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16  2:17                                       ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-16 16:13                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16 16:36                                         ` Understanding the Principles of Argumentation #3 Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16 16:42                                           ` Robinson Maureira Castillo
2002-09-16 17:29                                           ` Cort Dougan
2002-09-16 22:31                                         ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-01 14:13                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-01 14:27                                           ` David Woodhouse
2002-09-13 15:59                                     ` [RFC] Raceless module interface Daniel Phillips
2002-09-13  3:14                                 ` David Gibson
2002-09-13 10:35                                 ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-13 13:53                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-13 15:13                                     ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-13 15:30                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-13 15:55                                         ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-13 16:09                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-13 16:39                                         ` Thunder from the hill
2002-09-13 17:12                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16  0:24                                         ` Bill Davidsen
2002-09-16  1:49                                   ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-16 21:36                                     ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-16 21:48                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16 22:44                                         ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-11 15:28                 ` Question about pseudo filesystems Bill Davidsen
2002-09-11 19:36                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-09 20:12               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-09 22:56                 ` Jamie Lokier
2002-09-10  1:39                   ` Alexander Viro [this message]
2002-09-09 20:18               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-10  6:48                 ` Kai Henningsen

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