From: "James A. Sutherland" <jas88@cam.ac.uk>
To: Dennis <dennis@etinc.com>
Cc: Alan Olsen <alan@clueserver.org>, <jesse@cats-chateau.net>,
Andrew Scott <A.J.Scott@casdn.neu.edu>,
Andrew Scott <A.J.Scott@casdn.neu.edu>,
<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Linux stifles innovation...
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 20:05:47 +0000 (GMT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0102172003550.2281-100000@dax.joh.cam.ac.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20010217145654.0390e900@mail.etinc.com>
On Sat, 17 Feb 2001, Dennis wrote:
> At 07:01 PM 02/16/2001, Alan Olsen wrote:
> >On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Dennis wrote:
> >
> > > There is much truth to the concept, although Microsoft should not be ones
> > > to comment on it as such.
> >
> >What truth? I have seen more "innovation" in the Open Source movement
> >than I ever have in my 18+ years of being a professional programmer.
>
> You are confusing "progress" with "innovation".
Not necessarily: both exist in open source projects.
> If there is only 1 choice, thats not innovation.
You are confusing "innovation" with "competition".
> Expanding on a bad idea, or even a good one, is not innovation.
Correct. Having the idea in the first place is innovation.
> Designing something differently to make it better is innovation. I suppose
> you could argue that redesigning linux every few years is innovation, but
Not really. Changing Linux to take advantage of some new concept would be
innovation. Adding a new feature would be innovation.
> unfortunately its the same cast of characters doing it, so its not very
> innovative.
There is no need for innovation to involve different/new PEOPLE, just new
IDEAS.
James.
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Thread overview: 170+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-02-15 17:49 Linux stifles innovation fsnchzjr
2001-02-15 17:55 ` Stephen Frost
2001-02-15 18:04 ` Mark Haney
2001-02-15 19:49 ` David D.W. Downey
2001-02-15 20:20 ` Alan Olsen
2001-02-15 20:42 ` dave
2001-02-15 21:17 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-02-15 20:43 ` [OTP] " David D.W. Downey
2001-02-15 22:31 ` Bill Wendling
2001-02-15 22:37 ` William T Wilson
2001-02-16 12:45 ` Rik van Riel
2001-02-16 15:10 ` James Sutherland
2001-02-16 16:02 ` Mark Haney
2001-02-16 16:26 ` David Woodhouse
2001-02-16 16:30 ` Mark Haney
2001-02-16 19:23 ` David D.W. Downey
2001-02-16 20:18 ` James Sutherland
2001-02-17 0:03 ` Carlos Fernandez Sanz
2001-02-17 0:35 ` Dan Hollis
2001-02-17 0:41 ` Michael H. Warfield
2001-02-17 1:52 ` Dan Hollis
2001-02-17 2:20 ` XOR [ was: Linux stifles innovation... ] David Relson
2001-02-17 2:32 ` Dan Hollis
2001-02-17 8:16 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-02-17 13:16 ` David Relson
2001-02-17 18:12 ` brian
2001-02-18 2:01 ` Dan Hollis
2001-02-17 9:08 ` Linux stifles innovation James Sutherland
2001-02-17 12:45 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-02-17 9:05 ` James Sutherland
2001-02-17 0:04 ` LA Walsh
2001-02-16 9:26 ` Helge Hafting
2001-02-16 9:36 ` James Sutherland
2001-02-16 12:44 ` Helge Hafting
2001-02-16 17:40 ` Joseph Pingenot
2001-02-16 14:25 ` Andrew Scott
2001-02-16 19:48 ` Jesse Pollard
2001-02-16 22:27 ` Dennis
2001-02-16 22:20 ` Alan Cox
2001-02-17 12:37 ` [LONG RANT] " Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-02-17 13:37 ` Russell King
2001-02-17 19:15 ` Henning P . Schmiedehausen
2001-02-17 22:03 ` Felix von Leitner
2001-02-18 11:54 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-02-18 12:26 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-02-18 13:43 ` Russell King
2001-02-18 9:27 ` Russell King
2001-02-17 19:20 ` Jacob Luna Lundberg
2001-02-18 1:06 ` Peter Samuelson
2001-02-18 4:15 ` Ben Ford
2001-02-17 18:48 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-02-19 9:24 ` Helge Hafting
2001-02-19 10:53 ` Werner Almesberger
2001-02-19 11:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-02-19 11:28 ` Nicholas Knight
2001-02-19 11:36 ` David Lang
2001-02-19 12:53 ` Nicholas Knight
2001-02-19 11:47 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-02-19 12:57 ` Nicholas Knight
2001-02-19 12:00 ` Werner Almesberger
2001-02-19 12:15 ` Henning P . Schmiedehausen
2001-02-19 16:04 ` Paul Jakma
2001-02-19 16:07 ` Alan Cox
2001-02-19 14:15 ` Jes Sorensen
2001-02-20 23:39 ` Brian May
2001-02-19 11:59 ` Henning P . Schmiedehausen
2001-02-19 13:11 ` Werner Almesberger
2001-02-19 14:07 ` David Howells
2001-02-19 14:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-02-19 15:53 ` Mikulas Patocka
2001-02-19 16:26 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-02-19 19:11 ` The lack of specification (was Re: [LONG RANT] Re: Linux stifles innovation... ) Mikulas Patocka
2001-02-19 20:02 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-02-19 20:17 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-02-19 21:18 ` Mikulas Patocka
2001-02-19 21:34 ` The lack of specification Russell King
2001-02-19 21:47 ` Eli Carter
2001-02-19 15:58 ` [LONG RANT] Re: Linux stifles innovation Richard B. Johnson
2001-02-19 16:14 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-02-19 16:26 ` Alan Cox
2001-02-19 21:57 ` Keith Owens
2001-02-19 19:27 ` Andre Hedrick
2001-02-17 16:54 ` Francois Romieu
2001-02-16 22:31 ` Dan Hollis
2001-02-16 22:51 ` David D.W. Downey
2001-02-16 22:59 ` Linux stifles innovation... [way O.T.] John Cavan
2001-02-16 23:07 ` Linux stifles innovation Mike A. Harris
2001-02-16 23:45 ` Matt D. Robinson
2001-02-16 23:46 ` Mike A. Harris
2001-02-17 0:15 ` Matt D. Robinson
2001-02-17 0:34 ` Werner Almesberger
2001-02-17 0:54 ` Matt D. Robinson
2001-02-17 1:58 ` Werner Almesberger
2001-02-17 12:41 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-02-17 17:51 ` Robert Read
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.3.96.1010217145415.31128A-100000@orion.hq.dalalu.fr>
2001-02-17 18:40 ` Henning P . Schmiedehausen
2001-02-17 0:01 ` Alan Olsen
2001-02-17 0:10 ` rjd
2001-02-17 1:34 ` Neal Dias
2001-02-17 2:05 ` Augustin Vidovic
2001-02-17 12:46 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-02-17 13:13 ` Roeland Th. Jansen
2001-02-21 23:00 ` Dr. Kelsey Hudson
2001-02-21 23:17 ` Augustin Vidovic
2001-02-22 1:08 ` Dr. Kelsey Hudson
2001-02-22 0:09 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-02-22 0:21 ` Alan Cox
2001-02-23 12:14 ` Wakko Warner
2001-02-23 12:31 ` David Weinehall
2001-02-27 8:48 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-02-17 7:20 ` Mike Pontillo
2001-02-17 16:11 ` [OT]Re: " Gregory Maxwell
2001-02-17 7:39 ` Vesselin Atanasov
2001-02-17 19:08 ` Dennis
2001-02-17 19:08 ` Mohammad A. Haque
2001-02-17 20:47 ` Alan Cox
2001-02-24 21:11 ` Dennis
2001-02-24 21:06 ` Alan Cox
2001-02-17 19:11 ` Dennis
2001-02-17 19:36 ` Francois Romieu
2001-02-17 20:48 ` Alan Cox
2001-02-17 19:24 ` Dennis
2001-02-17 19:38 ` Dennis
2001-02-17 20:01 ` Michael Bacarella
2001-02-17 20:11 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-02-17 19:56 ` Linux stifles innovation... [way O.T.] Dennis
2001-02-17 20:28 ` Michael H. Warfield
2001-02-18 11:25 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-02-18 15:32 ` John Cavan
2001-02-18 0:13 ` Gerhard Mack
2001-02-17 20:05 ` Linux stifles innovation Dennis
2001-02-17 20:05 ` James A. Sutherland [this message]
2001-02-17 20:14 ` Michael H. Warfield
2001-02-18 10:57 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-02-17 20:28 ` Alan Olsen
2001-02-21 23:48 ` Dr. Kelsey Hudson
2001-02-17 22:07 ` Felix von Leitner
2001-02-17 20:08 ` Dennis
2001-02-17 20:22 ` Michael H. Warfield
2001-02-17 20:41 ` Gregory Maxwell
2001-02-18 10:59 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-02-18 21:02 ` Bob Taylor
2001-02-17 22:38 ` Andre Hedrick
2001-02-17 23:07 ` Michael H. Warfield
2001-02-18 15:20 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2001-02-18 0:51 ` Peter Samuelson
2001-02-16 23:33 ` Hristo Doichev
2001-02-16 17:25 ` Byron Albert
2001-02-16 17:21 Wayne.Brown
2001-02-18 2:10 Torrey Hoffman
2001-02-18 3:55 Torrey Hoffman
2001-02-18 5:15 ` Ben Ford
2001-02-18 11:17 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-02-18 16:42 ` Michael H. Warfield
2001-02-18 18:00 ` Gregory S. Youngblood
2001-02-18 18:04 ` Michael H. Warfield
2001-02-19 1:36 ` Gregory S. Youngblood
2001-02-18 18:21 ` Peter Svensson
2001-02-18 11:16 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-02-18 12:19 ` Francis Galiegue
2001-02-18 17:50 ` Andre Hedrick
2001-02-18 18:13 ` Henning P . Schmiedehausen
2001-02-18 22:15 ` Andre Hedrick
2001-02-18 22:25 ` Steve VanDevender
2001-02-18 22:31 ` Andre Hedrick
2001-02-18 11:46 ` Alan Cox
2001-02-18 23:14 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-02-22 0:11 ` Dr. Kelsey Hudson
2001-02-22 1:39 Leif Sawyer
2001-02-22 1:44 ` Dr. Kelsey Hudson
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