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From: Esben Nielsen <simlo@phys.au.dk>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	<robustmutexes@lists.osdl.org>, <dino@in.ibm.com>,
	David Singleton <dsingleton@mvista.com>
Subject: Re: robust futex deadlock detection patch
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:19:08 +0100 (MET)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0601092213580.19569-100000@lifa01.phys.au.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1136840886.6197.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 9 Jan 2006, Steven Rostedt wrote:

> On Mon, 2006-01-09 at 21:16 +0100, Esben Nielsen wrote:
>
> > You only take the spinlocks corresponding to the current lock. What about
> > the next locks in the chain? Remember those locks might not be
> > futexes but a lock inside the kernel, taken in system calls. I.e. the
> > robust_sem might not protect you.
> > If there are n locks you need to lock n lock->wait_lock and n
> > owner->task->pi_lock as you traverse the locks. That is what I tried to
> > sketch in the examble below.
>
> The thing about this is that you can't (if the kernel is not buggy)
> deadlock on the kernel spin locks.  As long as you protect the locks in
> the futex from deadlocking you are fine.  This is because you don't grab
> a futex after grabbing a kernel spin lock.  All kernel spin locks
> __must__ be released before going back to user land, and that's where
> you grab the futexes.
>
Yes, but the deadlock-detect code doesn't know what is a futex and what
isn't. Therefore when it starts to traverse rt_mutexes which aren't
futexes it has to be _very_ carefull taking the right spinlocks. On the
other hand when traversing the futexes it has to be carefull not to
deadlocks on those very same spinlocks.

And yes, you _can_ traverse the lock chain without deadlocking the kernel.
The code I sketched in the previouse mail should do it.

Anyway, I am trying to rewrite rt_mutex to remove the spinlock deadlock
altogether. My girlfriend is away with our daugther a few days so I might
get time to do finish it :-)

> -- Steve
>
>

Esben


      reply	other threads:[~2006-01-09 21:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-12-14 22:39 Recursion bug in -rt Dinakar Guniguntala
2005-12-15  1:03 ` david singleton
2005-12-15 19:44   ` Dinakar Guniguntala
2005-12-15 20:40     ` David Singleton
2005-12-16  0:02     ` david singleton
2005-12-16 18:42       ` Dinakar Guniguntala
2005-12-16 21:26         ` David Singleton
2005-12-19 11:56           ` Dinakar Guniguntala
2005-12-19 20:11             ` David Singleton
2005-12-15 19:00 ` David Singleton
2005-12-15 19:52   ` Dinakar Guniguntala
2005-12-20 13:19   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-20 15:50     ` Dinakar Guniguntala
2005-12-20 17:43       ` Esben Nielsen
2005-12-20 19:33         ` Steven Rostedt
2005-12-20 20:42           ` Esben Nielsen
2005-12-20 21:20             ` Steven Rostedt
2005-12-20 21:55               ` david singleton
2005-12-20 22:56                 ` Esben Nielsen
2005-12-20 23:12                   ` Steven Rostedt
2005-12-20 23:55                     ` Esben Nielsen
2005-12-22  4:37                       ` david singleton
2005-12-20 22:43               ` Esben Nielsen
2005-12-20 22:59                 ` Steven Rostedt
2006-01-03  1:54       ` david singleton
2006-01-05  2:14       ` david singleton
2006-01-05  9:43         ` Esben Nielsen
2006-01-05 17:11           ` david singleton
2006-01-05 17:47             ` Esben Nielsen
2006-01-05 18:26               ` david singleton
2006-01-07  2:40               ` robust futex deadlock detection patch david singleton
     [not found]                 ` <a36005b50601071145y7e2ead9an4a4ca7896f35a85e@mail.gmail.com>
2006-01-07 19:49                   ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-01-09  9:23                 ` Esben Nielsen
2006-01-09 20:01                   ` David Singleton
2006-01-09 20:16                     ` Esben Nielsen
2006-01-09 21:08                       ` Steven Rostedt
2006-01-09 21:19                         ` Esben Nielsen [this message]

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