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From: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
To: Esben Nielsen <simlo@phys.au.dk>
Cc: david singleton <dsingleton@mvista.com>,
	robustmutexes@lists.osdl.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: Recursion bug in -rt
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:12:26 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0512201801380.4479@gandalf.stny.rr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.05.10512202344470.1720-100000@da410.phys.au.dk>


On Tue, 20 Dec 2005, Esben Nielsen wrote:

> >
>
> The same lock taken twice is just a special case of deadlocking. It would
> be very hard to check for the general case in the futex code without
> "fixing" the rt_mutex. Not that the rt_mutex code is broken - it just
> doesn't handle deadlocks very well as it wasn't supposed to. But as the
> futex indirectly exposes the rt_mutex to userspace it becomes a problem.
>
> The only _hack_ I can see is to force all robust futex calls to go through
> one global lock to prevent the futex deadlocks becomming rt_mutex
> deadlocks which again can turn into spin-lock deadlocks.
>
> I instead argue for altering the premisses for the rt_mutex such
> they can handle deadlocks without turning them into spin-lock deadlocks
> blocking the whole system. Then a futex deadlock will become a rt_mutex
> deadlock which can be handled.
>

For the type of deadlock you are talking about is the following:

P1 -- grabs futex A (no system call)
P2 -- grabs futex B (no system call)

P1 -- tries to grab futex B (system call to block and boost P2)
      But holds no other kernel rt_mutex!
P2 -- tries to grab futex A (system call to block and boost P1)
     spinning deadlock here,

So, before P2 blocks on P1, can there be a circular check t see if this is
a deadlock.  You don't need to worry about other kernel rt_mutexes, you
only need to worry about blocked process.

Is this feasible?

-- Steve


  reply	other threads:[~2005-12-20 23:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-12-14 22:39 Recursion bug in -rt Dinakar Guniguntala
2005-12-15  1:03 ` david singleton
2005-12-15 19:44   ` Dinakar Guniguntala
2005-12-15 20:40     ` David Singleton
2005-12-16  0:02     ` david singleton
2005-12-16 18:42       ` Dinakar Guniguntala
2005-12-16 21:26         ` David Singleton
2005-12-19 11:56           ` Dinakar Guniguntala
2005-12-19 20:11             ` David Singleton
2005-12-15 19:00 ` David Singleton
2005-12-15 19:52   ` Dinakar Guniguntala
2005-12-20 13:19   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-20 15:50     ` Dinakar Guniguntala
2005-12-20 17:43       ` Esben Nielsen
2005-12-20 19:33         ` Steven Rostedt
2005-12-20 20:42           ` Esben Nielsen
2005-12-20 21:20             ` Steven Rostedt
2005-12-20 21:55               ` david singleton
2005-12-20 22:56                 ` Esben Nielsen
2005-12-20 23:12                   ` Steven Rostedt [this message]
2005-12-20 23:55                     ` Esben Nielsen
2005-12-22  4:37                       ` david singleton
2005-12-20 22:43               ` Esben Nielsen
2005-12-20 22:59                 ` Steven Rostedt
2006-01-03  1:54       ` david singleton
2006-01-05  2:14       ` david singleton
2006-01-05  9:43         ` Esben Nielsen
2006-01-05 17:11           ` david singleton
2006-01-05 17:47             ` Esben Nielsen
2006-01-05 18:26               ` david singleton
2006-01-07  2:40               ` robust futex deadlock detection patch david singleton
     [not found]                 ` <a36005b50601071145y7e2ead9an4a4ca7896f35a85e@mail.gmail.com>
2006-01-07 19:49                   ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-01-09  9:23                 ` Esben Nielsen
2006-01-09 20:01                   ` David Singleton
2006-01-09 20:16                     ` Esben Nielsen
2006-01-09 21:08                       ` Steven Rostedt
2006-01-09 21:19                         ` Esben Nielsen

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