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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
To: Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@linux01.gwdg.de>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Krzysztof Halasa <khc@pm.waw.pl>,
	Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Tim Schmielau <tim@physik3.uni-rostock.de>,
	Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	mpm@selenic.com
Subject: Re: [patch 00/2] improve .text size on gcc 4.0 and newer compilers
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 14:43:09 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0601021439520.3668@g5.osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0601022158170.14613@yvahk01.tjqt.qr>



On Mon, 2 Jan 2006, Jan Engelhardt wrote:

> >* Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org> wrote:
> >
> >> > For example, I add "inline" for static functions which are only called
> >> > from one place.
> >> 
> >> That's actually not a good practice. Two reasons:
> >> 
> >>  - debuggability goes way down. Oops reports give a much nicer call-chain 
> >>    and better locality for uninlined code.
> 
> When I want to debug, I use
> CFLAGS="-O0 -ggdb3 -fno-inline -fno-omit-frame-pointer"
> for that particular file(s). That sure gets good results. Not sure about 
> who wins in the kernel case: always_inline or -fno-inline.

This is totally not relevant.

99% of all bug-reports happen for non-developers. What developers can and 
can not do from a debuggability standpoint is almost totally 
uninteresting: quite often the developers won't even be able to recreate 
the bug, but have to go on the bug report that comes in from the outside.

And yes, some users are willing to recompile the kernel, and try ten 
different versions, and in general are just worth their weight in gold. 
But many people have trouble even reporting the (short) oops details, much 
less follow up on it. 

So it's actually important that the default config is reasonably easy to 
debug from the oops report. Because it may be the only thing you ever get.

So -O0 and -fno-inline simply isn't practical, because they are not an 
option for a normal kernel. 

		Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2006-01-02 22:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 210+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-12-28 11:46 [patch 00/2] improve .text size on gcc 4.0 and newer compilers Ingo Molnar
2005-12-28 19:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-12-28 19:34   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-28 21:02     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-12-28 21:17       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-28 21:23       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-28 21:48         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-28 23:56           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2005-12-29  7:41             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-29  8:02               ` Dave Jones
2005-12-29 19:44               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2005-12-29  4:11           ` Andrew Morton
2005-12-29  7:32             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-29 14:58               ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-29 15:40               ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-29 17:41               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-12-29 18:42                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-29 18:45                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-29 20:19                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-29 22:20                   ` Matt Mackall
2005-12-29 20:28                 ` Dave Jones
2005-12-29 20:49                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-12-29 21:25                     ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                       ` <20051229224839.GA12247@elte.hu>
2005-12-29 22:58                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-30  2:03                           ` Tim Schmielau
2005-12-30  2:15                             ` Tim Schmielau
2005-12-30  7:49                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-31 14:38                               ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-31 14:45                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-31 15:08                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-02 10:37                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-02 10:48                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-02 13:43                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-02 14:05                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-02 15:01                                             ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-02 18:44                                             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-01-02 18:51                                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-02 19:49                                                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-01-02 19:54                                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-02 20:05                                                     ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-01-02 20:18                                                       ` Jörn Engel
2006-01-02 22:23                                                 ` Russell King
2006-01-02 23:55                                                   ` Alan Cox
2006-01-03  3:59                                                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2006-01-03  8:53                                                     ` Russell King
2006-01-03  8:56                                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-03  9:00                                                         ` Russell King
2006-01-03  9:10                                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-03  9:14                                                         ` Vitaly Wool
2006-01-02 19:03                                               ` Andrew Morton
2006-01-02 19:17                                                 ` Jakub Jelinek
2006-01-02 19:30                                                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-01-02 19:41                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-02 19:53                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-02 20:28                                                     ` Jakub Jelinek
2006-01-02 20:09                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-02 20:24                                                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-01-02 20:40                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-02 20:30                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-02 19:12                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-02 19:59                                                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-01-02 20:13                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-02 21:00                                                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-02 22:43                                                     ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2006-01-02 13:42                                       ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-02 18:28                                         ` Andrew Morton
2006-01-02 18:49                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-02 19:26                                             ` Jörn Engel
2006-01-02 21:51                                             ` Grant Coady
2006-01-02 22:03                                               ` Antonio Vargas
2006-01-02 22:56                                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-02 23:10                                                   ` Grant Coady
2006-01-02 23:57                                                     ` Alan Cox
2006-01-02 23:58                                                       ` Grant Coady
2006-01-03  5:31                                           ` Nick Piggin
2006-01-03 23:40                                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2006-01-04  4:28                                             ` Matt Mackall
2006-01-04  5:51                                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2006-01-04 17:10                                                 ` Matt Mackall
2006-01-04 22:37                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-05  0:55                                                   ` Martin Bligh
2006-01-04 17:36                                               ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-12-31  3:51                             ` Kurt Wall
2005-12-30  3:31                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-12-29 22:41                     ` userspace breakage Dave Jones
2005-12-29 21:23                       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-12-29 23:42                         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-12-29 22:17                           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-12-30  0:10                             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-12-29 23:54                               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-12-30  0:32                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-12-30 14:45                                   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-12-30 16:17                                     ` Rik van Riel
2005-12-30 15:01                                       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-12-30 11:17                                 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-12-30 14:59                                   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-12-30 20:22                               ` Steven Rostedt
2005-12-30 21:26                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-12-30 23:49                                 ` Andrew Morton
2005-12-31  8:33                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-31 15:30                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2005-12-31 16:40                                       ` Francois Romieu
2005-12-30 11:19                             ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-12-30 14:53                               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-12-30 17:17                                 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-12-29 22:47                       ` Ismail Donmez
2005-12-29 22:56                       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-12-29 23:03                         ` Dave Jones
2006-01-03 20:28                           ` Greg KH
2006-01-03 20:37                             ` Dave Jones
2006-01-04 23:00                               ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2006-01-05  4:42                                 ` Greg KH
2005-12-29 23:25                         ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-29 23:52                           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-12-30  8:09                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-03 20:28                         ` Greg KH
2005-12-29 23:07                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-12-30  0:38                       ` Ryan Anderson
2005-12-30  0:46                         ` Dave Jones
2005-12-30  1:05                           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-12-30  1:19                             ` Dave Airlie
2005-12-30  1:21                             ` Dave Jones
2005-12-30  2:10                               ` Jiri Slaby
2005-12-30  2:14                                 ` Dave Jones
2005-12-30  2:35                                   ` Jiri Slaby
2005-12-30  5:14                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-12-30  0:49                         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-12-30  3:47                     ` [patch 00/2] improve .text size on gcc 4.0 and newer compilers Mark Lord
2005-12-30  3:56                       ` Dave Jones
2005-12-30  3:57                       ` Mark Lord
2005-12-30  4:02                         ` Dave Jones
2005-12-30  4:11                           ` Mark Lord
2005-12-30  4:14                             ` Mark Lord
2005-12-30  4:20                               ` Mark Lord
2005-12-30  5:04                                 ` Dave Jones
2005-12-29 23:16                 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-12-30  8:05                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-30  8:15                     ` Willy Tarreau
2005-12-30  8:24                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-30  9:20                         ` Willy Tarreau
2005-12-30 13:38                           ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-30  8:33                   ` Jesper Juhl
2005-12-30  9:28                     ` Willy Tarreau
2005-12-30  9:37                       ` Jesper Juhl
2005-12-30  9:38                         ` Willy Tarreau
2005-12-30 19:53                   ` Alistair John Strachan
2005-12-29  7:49             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-29 15:01               ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-30 15:28             ` Alan Cox
2005-12-30 20:59               ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-30 22:12             ` Matt Mackall
2005-12-30 23:54               ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-31  9:20               ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-29 14:38           ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-12-29 14:54             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-29 15:35               ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-29 15:38                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-29 15:42                 ` Jakub Jelinek
2005-12-29 19:14                   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-30  9:28                   ` Andi Kleen
2005-12-30  9:40                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-30 10:14                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-30 13:31                         ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-30 14:08                         ` Christian Trefzer
2005-12-30 10:25                       ` Andi Kleen
2005-12-29  0:37         ` Rogério Brito
2006-01-03  3:36         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-12-29  4:38 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-29  7:59   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-29 13:52     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-29 19:57       ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-29 20:25       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-31 15:22         ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-05  0:55 Chuck Ebbert
2006-01-05  1:07 ` Martin Bligh
2006-01-05 12:19   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-05 14:30     ` Jakub Jelinek
2006-01-05 16:55       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-05 18:42         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2006-01-05 17:02     ` Matt Mackall
2006-01-05 17:59       ` Martin Bligh
2006-01-05 18:09         ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-05 18:43           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2006-01-05 19:17         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-05 19:40           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-05 19:49             ` Martin Bligh
2006-01-05 20:13               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-05 20:15                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-05 23:30                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-05 23:54                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-06  0:15                       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-06  0:27                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-06  0:54                           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-06  0:02                     ` Martin Bligh
2006-01-06  0:40                       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-06  0:55                         ` Martin Bligh
2006-01-06  1:48                           ` Mitchell Blank Jr
2006-01-06  0:50                   ` Mitchell Blank Jr
2006-01-06  0:58                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-06  1:22                       ` Mitchell Blank Jr
2006-01-05 21:34             ` Matt Mackall
2006-01-05 22:08               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-05 22:36                 ` Matt Mackall
2006-01-05 22:49                   ` Martin Bligh
2006-01-05 23:02                     ` Matt Mackall
2006-01-05 22:55                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-05 23:11                     ` Matt Mackall
2006-01-05 23:27                       ` Jesse Barnes
2006-01-05 23:58                       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-05 21:32           ` Grzegorz Kulewski

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