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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Martin Bligh <mbligh@mbligh.org>, Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Chuck Ebbert <76306.1226@compuserve.com>,
	Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>,
	Tim Schmielau <tim@physik3.uni-rostock.de>
Subject: Re: [patch 00/2] improve .text size on gcc 4.0 and newer  compilers
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:54:45 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0601051548290.3169@g5.osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060105233049.GA3441@elte.hu>



On Fri, 6 Jan 2006, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> 
> i frequently validate branches in performance-critical kernel code like 
> the scheduler (and the mutex code ;), via instruction-granularity 
> profiling, driven by a high-frequency (10-100 KHz) NMI interrupt. A bad 
> branch layout shows up pretty clearly in annotated assembly listings:

Yes, but we only do this for routines that we look at anyway.

Also, the profiles can be misleading at times: you often get instructions 
with zero hits, because they always schedule together with another 
instruction. So parsing things and then matching them up (correctly) with 
the source code in order to annotate them is probably pretty nontrivial.

But starting with the code-paths that get literally zero profile events is 
definitely the way to go.

> Especially with 64 or 128 byte L1 cachelines our codepaths are really 
> fragmented and we can easily have 3-4 times of the optimal icache 
> footprint, for a given syscall. We very often have cruft in the hotpath, 
> and we often have functions that belong together ripped apart by things 
> like e.g. __sched annotators. I havent seen many cases of wrongly judged 
> likely/unlikely hints, what happens typically is that there's no 
> annotation and the default compiler guess is wrong.

We don't have likely()/unlikely() that often, and at least in my case it's 
partly because the syntax is a pain (it would probably have been better to 
include the "if ()" part in the syntax - the millions of parenthesis just 
drive me wild).

So yeah, we tend to put likely/unlikely only on really obvious stuff, and 
only on functions where we think about it. So we probably don't get it 
wrong that often.

> the dcache footprint of the kernel is much better, mostly because it's 
> so easy to control it in C. The icache footprint is alot more elusive.  
> (and also alot more critical to execution speed on nontrivial workloads)
> 
> so i think there are two major focus areas to improve our icache 
> footprint:
> 
>  - reduce code size
>  - reduce fragmentation of the codepath
> 
> fortunately both are hard and technically challenging projects

That's an interesting use of "fortunately". I tend to prefer the form 
where it means "fortunately, we can trivially fix this with a two-line 
solution that is obviously correct" ;)

		Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2006-01-06  0:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 167+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-01-05  0:55 [patch 00/2] improve .text size on gcc 4.0 and newer compilers Chuck Ebbert
2006-01-05  1:07 ` Martin Bligh
2006-01-05 12:19   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-05 14:30     ` Jakub Jelinek
2006-01-05 16:55       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-05 18:42         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2006-01-05 17:02     ` Matt Mackall
2006-01-05 17:59       ` Martin Bligh
2006-01-05 18:09         ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-05 18:43           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2006-01-05 19:17         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-05 19:40           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-05 19:49             ` Martin Bligh
2006-01-05 20:13               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-05 20:15                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-05 23:30                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-05 23:54                     ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2006-01-06  0:15                       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-06  0:27                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-06  0:54                           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-06  0:02                     ` Martin Bligh
2006-01-06  0:40                       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-06  0:55                         ` Martin Bligh
2006-01-06  1:48                           ` Mitchell Blank Jr
2006-01-06  0:50                   ` Mitchell Blank Jr
2006-01-06  0:58                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-06  1:22                       ` Mitchell Blank Jr
2006-01-05 21:34             ` Matt Mackall
2006-01-05 22:08               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-05 22:36                 ` Matt Mackall
2006-01-05 22:49                   ` Martin Bligh
2006-01-05 23:02                     ` Matt Mackall
2006-01-05 22:55                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-05 23:11                     ` Matt Mackall
2006-01-05 23:27                       ` Jesse Barnes
2006-01-05 23:58                       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-05 21:32           ` Grzegorz Kulewski
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-12-28 11:46 Ingo Molnar
2005-12-28 19:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-12-28 19:34   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-28 21:02     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-12-28 21:17       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-28 21:23       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-28 21:48         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-28 23:56           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2005-12-29  7:41             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-29  8:02               ` Dave Jones
2005-12-29 19:44               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2005-12-29  4:11           ` Andrew Morton
2005-12-29  7:32             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-29 14:58               ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-29 15:40               ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-29 17:41               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-12-29 18:42                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-29 18:45                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-29 20:19                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-29 22:20                   ` Matt Mackall
2005-12-29 20:28                 ` Dave Jones
2005-12-29 20:49                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-12-29 21:25                     ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                       ` <20051229224839.GA12247@elte.hu>
2005-12-29 22:58                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-30  2:03                           ` Tim Schmielau
2005-12-30  2:15                             ` Tim Schmielau
2005-12-30  7:49                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-31 14:38                               ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-31 14:45                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-31 15:08                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-02 10:37                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-02 10:48                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-02 13:43                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-02 14:05                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-02 15:01                                             ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-02 18:44                                             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-01-02 18:51                                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-02 19:49                                                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-01-02 19:54                                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-02 20:05                                                     ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-01-02 20:18                                                       ` Jörn Engel
2006-01-02 22:23                                                 ` Russell King
2006-01-02 23:55                                                   ` Alan Cox
2006-01-03  3:59                                                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2006-01-03  8:53                                                     ` Russell King
2006-01-03  8:56                                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-03  9:00                                                         ` Russell King
2006-01-03  9:10                                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-03  9:14                                                         ` Vitaly Wool
2006-01-02 19:03                                               ` Andrew Morton
2006-01-02 19:17                                                 ` Jakub Jelinek
2006-01-02 19:30                                                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-01-02 19:41                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-02 19:53                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-02 20:28                                                     ` Jakub Jelinek
2006-01-02 20:09                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-02 20:24                                                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-01-02 20:40                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-02 20:30                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-02 19:12                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-02 19:59                                                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-01-02 20:13                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-02 21:00                                                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-02 22:43                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-02 13:42                                       ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-02 18:28                                         ` Andrew Morton
2006-01-02 18:49                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-02 19:26                                             ` Jörn Engel
2006-01-02 21:51                                             ` Grant Coady
2006-01-02 22:03                                               ` Antonio Vargas
2006-01-02 22:56                                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-02 23:10                                                   ` Grant Coady
2006-01-02 23:57                                                     ` Alan Cox
2006-01-02 23:58                                                       ` Grant Coady
2006-01-03  5:31                                           ` Nick Piggin
2006-01-03 23:40                                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2006-01-04  4:28                                             ` Matt Mackall
2006-01-04  5:51                                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2006-01-04 17:10                                                 ` Matt Mackall
2006-01-04 22:37                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-05  0:55                                                   ` Martin Bligh
2006-01-04 17:36                                               ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-12-31  3:51                             ` Kurt Wall
2005-12-30  3:31                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-12-30  3:47                     ` Mark Lord
2005-12-30  3:56                       ` Dave Jones
2005-12-30  3:57                       ` Mark Lord
2005-12-30  4:02                         ` Dave Jones
2005-12-30  4:11                           ` Mark Lord
2005-12-30  4:14                             ` Mark Lord
2005-12-30  4:20                               ` Mark Lord
2005-12-30  5:04                                 ` Dave Jones
2005-12-29 23:16                 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-12-30  8:05                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-30  8:15                     ` Willy Tarreau
2005-12-30  8:24                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-30  9:20                         ` Willy Tarreau
2005-12-30 13:38                           ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-30  8:33                   ` Jesper Juhl
2005-12-30  9:28                     ` Willy Tarreau
2005-12-30  9:37                       ` Jesper Juhl
2005-12-30  9:38                         ` Willy Tarreau
2005-12-30 19:53                   ` Alistair John Strachan
2005-12-29  7:49             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-29 15:01               ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-30 15:28             ` Alan Cox
2005-12-30 20:59               ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-30 22:12             ` Matt Mackall
2005-12-30 23:54               ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-31  9:20               ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-29 14:38           ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-12-29 14:54             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-29 15:35               ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-29 15:38                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-29 15:42                 ` Jakub Jelinek
2005-12-29 19:14                   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-30  9:28                   ` Andi Kleen
2005-12-30  9:40                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-30 10:14                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-30 13:31                         ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-30 14:08                         ` Christian Trefzer
2005-12-30 10:25                       ` Andi Kleen
2005-12-29  0:37         ` Rogério Brito
2006-01-03  3:36         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-12-29  4:38 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-29  7:59   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-29 13:52     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-29 19:57       ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-29 20:25       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-31 15:22         ` Adrian Bunk

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