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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	andrei.popa@i-neo.ro,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>,
	Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de>,
	Marc Haber <mh+linux-kernel@zugschlus.de>,
	Martin Michlmayr <tbm@cyrius.com>
Subject: Re: 2.6.19 file content corruption on ext3
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 16:03:49 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0612191553140.6766@woody.osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1166569582.10372.165.camel@twins>



On Wed, 20 Dec 2006, Peter Zijlstra wrote:

> On Tue, 2006-12-19 at 14:58 -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> 
> > Well... we'd need to see (corruption && this-not-triggering) to be sure.
> > 
> > Peter, have you been able to trigger the corruption?
> 
> Yes; however the mail I send describing that seems to be lost in space.

Btw, can somebody actually explain the mess that is ext3 "dirtying".

Ext3 does NOT use __set_page_dirty_buffers. It does

	static int ext3_journalled_set_page_dirty(struct page *page)
	{
	        SetPageChecked(page);
	        return __set_page_dirty_nobuffers(page);
	}

and uses that "Checked" bit as a "whole page is dirty" bit (which it tests 
in "writepage()".

You realize what this all means? It means that ANYTHING that actually 
clears the _real_ dirty bit won't actually be doing anything at all for 
ext3, because the Checked bit will still stay set, and any IO down the 
line on that page would totally ignore the dirty bits on the buffer heads 
and just write out everything.

That is "The Mess(tm)".

It also basically means that anything that clears the dirty bit without 
just calling "writepage()" had _better_ call "invalidatepage()" for the 
whole page, because otherwise the PageChecked bit will never be cleared as 
far as I can see. Happily, at least ext3 seems to _test_ for that case in 
the release_page() function, so it appears that we do do this.

But this seems to just strengthen my argument: you can NEVER clean a page, 
unless you (a) do IO on it immediately afterwards (writeback) or (b) 
invalidate it entirely (truncate).

I'd really like to see just those two functions exist. Preferably in a 
form where you can see easily that we actually follow those rules. Rather 
than having a confusing set of "clear_page_dirty()" and
"test_and_clear_page_dirty()" functions that are called from random 
places.

IOW, I think the "clear_page_dirty_for_io()" is fine (it's case (a)) 
above, and then we should probably have a "cancel_dirty_page()" function 
that does all the current clear_page_dirty() but also makes sure that we 
actually call the invalidate_page() function itself. 

Hmm?

			Linus

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-12-20  0:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 333+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-12-17  0:13 2.6.19 file content corruption on ext3 Andrei Popa
2006-12-17 12:06 ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-17 12:19   ` Marc Haber
2006-12-17 12:32   ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-17 13:39   ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-17 23:40     ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-18  1:02       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-18  1:22       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-18  1:29         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-18  1:57           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-18  4:51             ` Nick Piggin
2006-12-18  5:43               ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-18  7:22                 ` Nick Piggin
2006-12-18  9:18                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-18  9:26                     ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-18  9:42                     ` Nick Piggin
2006-12-19  8:51                 ` Marc Haber
2006-12-19  9:28                   ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-28 18:05                   ` Marc Haber
2006-12-28 19:00                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-28 19:05                       ` Petri Kaukasoina
2006-12-28 19:21                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-28 19:39                           ` Dave Jones
2006-12-28 20:10                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-29  9:23                             ` maximilian attems
2006-12-29 15:02                               ` Dave Jones
2006-12-29 18:52                                 ` maximilian attems
2006-12-29 19:14                                   ` Dave Jones
2006-12-28 21:24                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-28 21:36                         ` Russell King
2006-12-28 22:37                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-28 22:50                           ` David Miller
2006-12-28 23:01                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-29  1:38                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-29  1:59                               ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-28 23:36                           ` Anton Altaparmakov
2006-12-28 23:54                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-29 17:49                       ` Guillaume Chazarain
2006-12-18  5:50               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-18  7:16                 ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-18  7:17                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-18  9:30                   ` Nick Piggin
2006-12-18  7:30                 ` Nick Piggin
2006-12-18  9:19                 ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-18  9:38                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-18 10:00                     ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-18 10:11                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-18 10:49                         ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-18 15:24                           ` Gene Heskett
2006-12-18 15:32                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-18 15:47                               ` Gene Heskett
2006-12-18 16:55       ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-18 18:03         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-18 18:24           ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-18 18:35             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-18 19:04               ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-18 19:10                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-18 19:18                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-18 19:44                   ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-18 20:14                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-18 20:41                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-18 21:11                         ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-18 22:00                           ` Alessandro Suardi
2006-12-18 22:45                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-19  0:13                               ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-19  0:29                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-18 22:32                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-18 23:48                             ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-19  0:04                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-19  0:29                                 ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-19  0:57                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-19  1:21                                     ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-19  1:44                                       ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-19  1:54                                         ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-19  2:04                                           ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-19  8:05                                           ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-19  8:24                                             ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-19  8:34                                               ` Pekka Enberg
2006-12-19  9:13                                               ` Marc Haber
2006-12-19  1:50                                     ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-19  1:03                               ` Gene Heskett
2006-12-18 22:34                         ` Gene Heskett
2006-12-22 17:27                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-18 21:43                       ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-18 21:49                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-19 23:42                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-20  0:23                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-20  9:01                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-20  9:12                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-20  9:39                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-20 11:26                               ` [PATCH] mm: fix page_mkclean_one (was: 2.6.19 file content corruption on ext3) Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-20 11:39                                 ` Jesper Juhl
2006-12-20 11:42                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-20 12:12                                     ` Jesper Juhl
2006-12-20 13:00                                 ` Hugh Dickins
2006-12-20 13:56                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-20 17:03                                     ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-20 17:35                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-20 17:53                                         ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-20 19:01                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-20 19:50                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-20 20:22                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-20 21:55                                               ` Dave Kleikamp
2006-12-20 22:25                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-20 22:59                                                   ` Dave Kleikamp
2006-12-20 22:15                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-20 22:20                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-20 22:49                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-20 23:03                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-21  9:16                                                     ` Martin Schwidefsky
2006-12-21  9:20                                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-21  9:26                                                         ` Martin Schwidefsky
2006-12-21 20:01                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-28  0:00                                                           ` Martin Schwidefsky
2006-12-28  0:42                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-28  0:52                                                               ` [PATCH] mm: fix page_mkclean_one David Miller
2006-12-21  2:36                                                 ` [PATCH] mm: fix page_mkclean_one (was: 2.6.19 file content corruption on ext3) Trond Myklebust
2006-12-21  8:10                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-20 23:24                                               ` David Chinner
2006-12-20 23:55                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-21  1:20                                                   ` David Chinner
2006-12-20 23:32                                               ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-20 23:55                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-21  0:11                                                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-21  0:22                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-21  0:24                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-21 15:48                                                         ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-21 16:58                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-21  0:43                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-21  1:20                                                         ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-21  2:54                                                   ` Trond Myklebust
2006-12-21 17:19                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-21  7:32                                               ` Gordon Farquharson
2006-12-21  7:53                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-21  8:38                                                   ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-21  8:59                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-21  9:17                                                   ` Gordon Farquharson
2006-12-21  9:27                                                     ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-22  4:20                                                       ` Gordon Farquharson
2006-12-22  4:54                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-22 10:00                                                           ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-22 10:06                                                             ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-22 10:10                                                               ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-22 11:07                                                                 ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-22 15:30                                                                 ` Gordon Farquharson
2006-12-22 17:11                                                                   ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-22 10:17                                                             ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-22 11:12                                                               ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-22 12:24                                                               ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-22 12:32                                                                 ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-22 12:59                                                                   ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-22 13:25                                                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-22 13:29                                                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-22 17:56                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-22 19:20                                                                       ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-24  8:10                                                                         ` Gordon Farquharson
2006-12-24  8:43                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-24  8:57                                                                             ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-24  9:26                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-24 12:14                                                                               ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-24 12:26                                                                                 ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-24 12:30                                                                                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-24 12:31                                                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-24 16:45                                                                                   ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-24 17:16                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-24 18:07                                                                                       ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-24 18:37                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-24 19:18                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-24 20:55                                                                                           ` Gordon Farquharson
2006-12-26 10:31                                                                                           ` Nick Piggin
2006-12-26 19:26                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-27 12:32                                                                                               ` Jari Sundell
2006-12-27 12:44                                                                                               ` valdyn
2006-12-27 13:33                                                                                                 ` Jari Sundell
2007-01-07  2:06                                                                                               ` Tom Lanyon
2007-01-07  5:58                                                                                                 ` Tom Lanyon
2007-01-07  6:05                                                                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-24 21:21                                                                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2006-12-24 19:27                                                                                       ` Gordon Farquharson
2006-12-24 19:35                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-24 20:10                                                                                           ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-24 20:24                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-24 20:30                                                                                               ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-26 17:51                                                                                               ` Al Viro
2006-12-26 17:58                                                                                                 ` Al Viro
2006-12-24 22:01                                                                                           ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-24 14:05                                                                               ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-26 16:17                                                                             ` Tobias Diedrich
2006-12-27  4:55                                                                               ` [PATCH] mm: fix page_mkclean_one David Miller
2006-12-27  7:00                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-27  8:39                                                                                   ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-28  0:16                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-28  0:39                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-28  0:52                                                                                     ` David Miller
2006-12-28  3:04                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-28  4:32                                                                                         ` Gordon Farquharson
2006-12-28  4:53                                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-28  5:20                                                                                             ` Gordon Farquharson
2006-12-28  5:41                                                                                               ` David Miller
2006-12-28  5:47                                                                                                 ` Gordon Farquharson
2006-12-28 10:13                                                                                               ` Russell King
2006-12-28 14:15                                                                                                 ` Gordon Farquharson
2006-12-28 15:53                                                                                                   ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-28 17:27                                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-28 18:44                                                                                                   ` Russell King
2006-12-28 19:01                                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                                                                                             ` <97a0a9ac0612272115g4cce1f08n3c3c8498a6076bd5@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                                                                                               ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0612272120180.4473@woody.osdl.org>
2006-12-28  5:38                                                                                                 ` Gordon Farquharson
2006-12-28  9:30                                                                                                   ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-28 10:16                                                                                                   ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-28 10:49                                                                                                     ` Russell King
2006-12-28 14:56                                                                                                       ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-28  5:58                                                                                                 ` Gordon Farquharson
2006-12-28 17:08                                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-28  5:55                                                                                         ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-12-28  6:10                                                                                           ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-12-28  6:27                                                                                             ` David Miller
2006-12-28 17:10                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-28  9:15                                                                                         ` Zhang, Yanmin
2006-12-28 17:15                                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-28 11:50                                                                                         ` Petri Kaukasoina
2006-12-28 15:09                                                                                         ` Guillaume Chazarain
2006-12-28 19:19                                                                                           ` Guillaume Chazarain
2006-12-28 19:28                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-28 19:45                                                                                               ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-28 20:14                                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-28 22:38                                                                                                   ` David Miller
2006-12-29  2:50                                                                                                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2006-12-29  6:48                                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-29  8:58                                                                                                         ` Ok, explained.. (was Re: [PATCH] mm: fix page_mkclean_one) Linus Torvalds
2006-12-29 10:48                                                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-29 11:16                                                                                                             ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-29 12:09                                                                                                             ` Nick Piggin
2006-12-29 17:25                                                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-29 12:31                                                                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-12-29 13:08                                                                                                             ` Martin Johansson
2006-12-29 14:08                                                                                                             ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-29 15:17                                                                                                               ` Stephen Clark
2006-12-29 15:54                                                                                                                 ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-29 22:16                                                                                                             ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-29 22:24                                                                                                               ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-29 22:42                                                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-29 23:32                                                                                                                 ` Theodore Tso
2006-12-29 23:59                                                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-30  0:05                                                                                                                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-30  0:50                                                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-29 23:51                                                                                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-30  0:11                                                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-30  0:33                                                                                                                     ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-30  0:58                                                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-30  1:16                                                                                                                         ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-29 15:27                                                                                                           ` Theodore Tso
2006-12-29 17:51                                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-29 12:19                                                                                                         ` [patch] fix data corruption bug in __block_write_full_page() Ingo Molnar
2007-01-02 11:20                                                                                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-02 12:06                                                                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-01-02 12:16                                                                                                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-12-28 22:35                                                                                                 ` [PATCH] mm: fix page_mkclean_one Mike Galbraith
2006-12-22 15:01                                                                   ` [PATCH] mm: fix page_mkclean_one (was: 2.6.19 file content corruption on ext3) Patrick Mau
2006-12-23  8:15                                                                   ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-22 15:08                                                           ` Gordon Farquharson
2006-12-22 10:01                                                         ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-22 15:16                                                           ` Gordon Farquharson
2006-12-21 12:30                                                   ` Russell King
2006-12-21 12:36                                                     ` Russell King
2006-12-21 11:21                                               ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-20 22:11                                       ` Russell King
2006-12-21  8:18                                         ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-21  9:54                                           ` Russell King
2006-12-20 14:55                                 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2006-12-20 14:27                             ` 2.6.19 file content corruption on ext3 Martin Schwidefsky
2006-12-20  9:32                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-20 14:15                         ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-20 14:23                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-20 16:30                             ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-20 16:36                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-19  7:38                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-19  4:36           ` Nick Piggin
2006-12-19  6:34             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-19  6:51               ` Nick Piggin
2006-12-19  7:26                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-19  8:04                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-19  9:00                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-19  9:05                       ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                     ` <4587B762.2030603@yahoo.com.au>
2006-12-19 10:32                       ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-19 10:42                         ` Nick Piggin
2006-12-19 10:47                         ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-19 10:52                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-19 10:58                           ` Nick Piggin
2006-12-19 11:51                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-19 10:55                         ` Nick Piggin
2006-12-19 16:51                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-19 17:43                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-19 18:59                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-19 21:30                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-19 22:51                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-19 22:58                                 ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-19 23:06                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-19 23:07                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-20  0:03                                     ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2006-12-20  0:18                                       ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-20 18:02                               ` Stephen Clark
2006-12-20  5:56                             ` Jari Sundell
2006-12-19 21:56                           ` Florian Weimer
2006-12-21 13:03                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-21 20:40                             ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-19 20:03               ` dean gaudet
2006-12-19  7:22             ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-19  7:59               ` Nick Piggin
2006-12-19  8:14                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-19  9:40                   ` Nick Piggin
2006-12-19 16:46                     ` Linus Torvalds
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-12-07 15:57 Marc Haber
2006-12-07 16:50 ` Phillip Susi
2006-12-08  1:38   ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2006-12-08 16:42     ` Marc Haber
2006-12-09 10:47       ` Jan Kara
2006-12-11 19:07         ` Marc Haber
2006-12-14 12:03           ` Jan Kara
2006-12-15  9:30             ` Marc Haber
2006-12-16  8:29               ` Marc Haber
2006-12-09 23:46       ` Mike Galbraith
2006-12-11  9:31         ` Marc Haber
2006-12-09  9:26   ` Marc Haber
2006-12-16 18:43     ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-16 19:18       ` Hugh Dickins
2006-12-16 21:29         ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-16 23:08           ` Hugh Dickins
2006-12-17 13:52         ` Jan Kara
2006-12-22 17:05       ` Marc Haber
2006-12-16 18:31 ` Florian Weimer
2006-12-17 11:52   ` Andrew Morton
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