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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: Gordon Farquharson <gordonfarquharson@gmail.com>,
	Martin Michlmayr <tbm@cyrius.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Andrei Popa <andrei.popa@i-neo.ro>,
	Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: fix page_mkclean_one (was: 2.6.19 file content corruption on ext3)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 01:26:08 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0612240115560.3671@woody.osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20061224005752.937493c8.akpm@osdl.org>



On Sun, 24 Dec 2006, Andrew Morton wrote:
> 
> > I now _suspect_ that we're talking about something like
> > 
> >  - we started a writeout. The IO is still pending, and the page was 
> >    marked clean and is now in the "writeback" phase.
> >  - a write happens to the page, and the page gets marked dirty again. 
> >    Marking the page dirty also marks all the _buffers_ in the page dirty, 
> >    but they were actually already dirty, because the IO hasn't completed 
> >    yet.
> >  - the IO from the _previous_ write completes, and marks the buffers clean 
> >    again.
> 
> Some things for the testers to try, please:
> 
> - mount the fs with ext2 with the no-buffer-head option.  That means either:

[ snip snip ]

This is definitely worth testing, but the exact schenario I outlined is 
probably not the thing that happens. It was really meant to be more of an 
exmple of the _kind_ of situation I think we might have.

That would explain why we didn't see this before: we simply didn't mark 
pages clean all that aggressively, and an app like rtorrent would normally 
have caused its flushes to happen _synchronously_ by using msync() (even 
if the IO itself was done asynchronously, all the dirty bit stuff would be 
synchronous wrt any rtorrent behaviour).

And the things that /did/ use to clean pages asynchronously (VM scanning) 
would always actually look at the "young" bit (aka "accessed") and not 
even touch the dirty bit if an application had accessed the page recently, 
so that basically avoided any likely races, because we'd touch the dirty 
bit ONLY if the page was "cold".

So this is why I'm saying that it might be an old bug, and it would be 
just the new pattern of handling dirty bits that triggers it.

But avoiding buffer heads and testing that part is worth doing. Just to 
remove one thing from the equation.

		Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2006-12-24  9:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 311+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-12-17  0:13 2.6.19 file content corruption on ext3 Andrei Popa
2006-12-17 12:06 ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-17 12:19   ` Marc Haber
2006-12-17 12:32   ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-17 13:39   ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-17 23:40     ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-18  1:02       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-18  1:22       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-18  1:29         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-18  1:57           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-18  4:51             ` Nick Piggin
2006-12-18  5:43               ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-18  7:22                 ` Nick Piggin
2006-12-18  9:18                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-18  9:26                     ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-18  9:42                     ` Nick Piggin
2006-12-19  8:51                 ` Marc Haber
2006-12-19  9:28                   ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-28 18:05                   ` Marc Haber
2006-12-28 19:00                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-28 19:05                       ` Petri Kaukasoina
2006-12-28 19:21                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-28 19:39                           ` Dave Jones
2006-12-28 20:10                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-29  9:23                             ` maximilian attems
2006-12-29 15:02                               ` Dave Jones
2006-12-29 18:52                                 ` maximilian attems
2006-12-29 19:14                                   ` Dave Jones
2006-12-28 21:24                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-28 21:36                         ` Russell King
2006-12-28 22:37                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-28 22:50                           ` David Miller
2006-12-28 23:01                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-29  1:38                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-29  1:59                               ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-28 23:36                           ` Anton Altaparmakov
2006-12-28 23:54                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-29 17:49                       ` Guillaume Chazarain
2006-12-18  5:50               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-18  7:16                 ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-18  7:17                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-18  9:30                   ` Nick Piggin
2006-12-18  7:30                 ` Nick Piggin
2006-12-18  9:19                 ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-18  9:38                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-18 10:00                     ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-18 10:11                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-18 10:49                         ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-18 15:24                           ` Gene Heskett
2006-12-18 15:32                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-18 15:47                               ` Gene Heskett
2006-12-18 16:55       ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-18 18:03         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-18 18:24           ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-18 18:35             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-18 19:04               ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-18 19:10                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-18 19:18                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-18 19:44                   ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-18 20:14                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-18 20:41                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-18 21:11                         ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-18 22:00                           ` Alessandro Suardi
2006-12-18 22:45                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-19  0:13                               ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-19  0:29                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-18 22:32                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-18 23:48                             ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-19  0:04                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-19  0:29                                 ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-19  0:57                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-19  1:21                                     ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-19  1:44                                       ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-19  1:54                                         ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-19  2:04                                           ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-19  8:05                                           ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-19  8:24                                             ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-19  8:34                                               ` Pekka Enberg
2006-12-19  9:13                                               ` Marc Haber
2006-12-19  1:50                                     ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-19  1:03                               ` Gene Heskett
2006-12-18 22:34                         ` Gene Heskett
2006-12-22 17:27                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-18 21:43                       ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-18 21:49                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-19 23:42                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-20  0:23                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-20  9:01                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-20  9:12                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-20  9:39                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-20 11:26                               ` [PATCH] mm: fix page_mkclean_one (was: 2.6.19 file content corruption on ext3) Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-20 11:39                                 ` Jesper Juhl
2006-12-20 11:42                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-20 12:12                                     ` Jesper Juhl
2006-12-20 13:00                                 ` Hugh Dickins
2006-12-20 13:56                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-20 17:03                                     ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-20 17:35                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-20 17:53                                         ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-20 19:01                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-20 19:50                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-20 20:22                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-20 21:55                                               ` Dave Kleikamp
2006-12-20 22:25                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-20 22:59                                                   ` Dave Kleikamp
2006-12-20 22:15                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-20 22:20                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-20 22:49                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-20 23:03                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-21  9:16                                                     ` Martin Schwidefsky
2006-12-21  9:20                                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-21  9:26                                                         ` Martin Schwidefsky
2006-12-21 20:01                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-28  0:00                                                           ` Martin Schwidefsky
2006-12-28  0:42                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-28  0:52                                                               ` [PATCH] mm: fix page_mkclean_one David Miller
2006-12-21  2:36                                                 ` [PATCH] mm: fix page_mkclean_one (was: 2.6.19 file content corruption on ext3) Trond Myklebust
2006-12-21  8:10                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-20 23:24                                               ` David Chinner
2006-12-20 23:55                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-21  1:20                                                   ` David Chinner
2006-12-20 23:32                                               ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-20 23:55                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-21  0:11                                                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-21  0:22                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-21  0:24                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-21 15:48                                                         ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-21 16:58                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-21  0:43                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-21  1:20                                                         ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-21  2:54                                                   ` Trond Myklebust
2006-12-21 17:19                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-21  7:32                                               ` Gordon Farquharson
2006-12-21  7:53                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-21  8:38                                                   ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-21  8:59                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-21  9:17                                                   ` Gordon Farquharson
2006-12-21  9:27                                                     ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-22  4:20                                                       ` Gordon Farquharson
2006-12-22  4:54                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-22 10:00                                                           ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-22 10:06                                                             ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-22 10:10                                                               ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-22 11:07                                                                 ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-22 15:30                                                                 ` Gordon Farquharson
2006-12-22 17:11                                                                   ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-22 10:17                                                             ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-22 11:12                                                               ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-22 12:24                                                               ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-22 12:32                                                                 ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-22 12:59                                                                   ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-22 13:25                                                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-22 13:29                                                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-22 17:56                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-22 19:20                                                                       ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-24  8:10                                                                         ` Gordon Farquharson
2006-12-24  8:43                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-24  8:57                                                                             ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-24  9:26                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2006-12-24 12:14                                                                               ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-24 12:26                                                                                 ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-24 12:30                                                                                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-24 12:31                                                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-24 16:45                                                                                   ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-24 17:16                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-24 18:07                                                                                       ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-24 18:37                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-24 19:18                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-24 20:55                                                                                           ` Gordon Farquharson
2006-12-26 10:31                                                                                           ` Nick Piggin
2006-12-26 19:26                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-27 12:32                                                                                               ` Jari Sundell
2006-12-27 12:44                                                                                               ` valdyn
2006-12-27 13:33                                                                                                 ` Jari Sundell
2007-01-07  2:06                                                                                               ` Tom Lanyon
2007-01-07  5:58                                                                                                 ` Tom Lanyon
2007-01-07  6:05                                                                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-24 21:21                                                                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2006-12-24 19:27                                                                                       ` Gordon Farquharson
2006-12-24 19:35                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-24 20:10                                                                                           ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-24 20:24                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-24 20:30                                                                                               ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-26 17:51                                                                                               ` Al Viro
2006-12-26 17:58                                                                                                 ` Al Viro
2006-12-24 22:01                                                                                           ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-24 14:05                                                                               ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-26 16:17                                                                             ` Tobias Diedrich
2006-12-27  4:55                                                                               ` [PATCH] mm: fix page_mkclean_one David Miller
2006-12-27  7:00                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-27  8:39                                                                                   ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-28  0:16                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-28  0:39                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-28  0:52                                                                                     ` David Miller
2006-12-28  3:04                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-28  4:32                                                                                         ` Gordon Farquharson
2006-12-28  4:53                                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-28  5:20                                                                                             ` Gordon Farquharson
2006-12-28  5:41                                                                                               ` David Miller
2006-12-28  5:47                                                                                                 ` Gordon Farquharson
2006-12-28 10:13                                                                                               ` Russell King
2006-12-28 14:15                                                                                                 ` Gordon Farquharson
2006-12-28 15:53                                                                                                   ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-28 17:27                                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-28 18:44                                                                                                   ` Russell King
2006-12-28 19:01                                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                                                                                             ` <97a0a9ac0612272115g4cce1f08n3c3c8498a6076bd5@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                                                                                               ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0612272120180.4473@woody.osdl.org>
2006-12-28  5:38                                                                                                 ` Gordon Farquharson
2006-12-28  9:30                                                                                                   ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-28 10:16                                                                                                   ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-28 10:49                                                                                                     ` Russell King
2006-12-28 14:56                                                                                                       ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-28  5:58                                                                                                 ` Gordon Farquharson
2006-12-28 17:08                                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-28  5:55                                                                                         ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-12-28  6:10                                                                                           ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-12-28  6:27                                                                                             ` David Miller
2006-12-28 17:10                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-28  9:15                                                                                         ` Zhang, Yanmin
2006-12-28 17:15                                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-28 11:50                                                                                         ` Petri Kaukasoina
2006-12-28 15:09                                                                                         ` Guillaume Chazarain
2006-12-28 19:19                                                                                           ` Guillaume Chazarain
2006-12-28 19:28                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-28 19:45                                                                                               ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-28 20:14                                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-28 22:38                                                                                                   ` David Miller
2006-12-29  2:50                                                                                                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2006-12-29  6:48                                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-29  8:58                                                                                                         ` Ok, explained.. (was Re: [PATCH] mm: fix page_mkclean_one) Linus Torvalds
2006-12-29 10:48                                                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-29 11:16                                                                                                             ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-29 12:09                                                                                                             ` Nick Piggin
2006-12-29 17:25                                                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-29 12:31                                                                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-12-29 13:08                                                                                                             ` Martin Johansson
2006-12-29 14:08                                                                                                             ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-29 15:17                                                                                                               ` Stephen Clark
2006-12-29 15:54                                                                                                                 ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-29 22:16                                                                                                             ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-29 22:24                                                                                                               ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-29 22:42                                                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-29 23:32                                                                                                                 ` Theodore Tso
2006-12-29 23:59                                                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-30  0:05                                                                                                                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-30  0:50                                                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-29 23:51                                                                                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-30  0:11                                                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-30  0:33                                                                                                                     ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-30  0:58                                                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-30  1:16                                                                                                                         ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-29 15:27                                                                                                           ` Theodore Tso
2006-12-29 17:51                                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-29 12:19                                                                                                         ` [patch] fix data corruption bug in __block_write_full_page() Ingo Molnar
2007-01-02 11:20                                                                                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-02 12:06                                                                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-01-02 12:16                                                                                                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-12-28 22:35                                                                                                 ` [PATCH] mm: fix page_mkclean_one Mike Galbraith
2006-12-22 15:01                                                                   ` [PATCH] mm: fix page_mkclean_one (was: 2.6.19 file content corruption on ext3) Patrick Mau
2006-12-23  8:15                                                                   ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-22 15:08                                                           ` Gordon Farquharson
2006-12-22 10:01                                                         ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-22 15:16                                                           ` Gordon Farquharson
2006-12-21 12:30                                                   ` Russell King
2006-12-21 12:36                                                     ` Russell King
2006-12-21 11:21                                               ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-20 22:11                                       ` Russell King
2006-12-21  8:18                                         ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-12-21  9:54                                           ` Russell King
2006-12-20 14:55                                 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2006-12-20 14:27                             ` 2.6.19 file content corruption on ext3 Martin Schwidefsky
2006-12-20  9:32                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-20 14:15                         ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-20 14:23                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-20 16:30                             ` Andrei Popa
2006-12-20 16:36                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-19  7:38                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-19  4:36           ` Nick Piggin
2006-12-19  6:34             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-19  6:51               ` Nick Piggin
2006-12-19  7:26                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-19  8:04                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-19  9:00                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-19  9:05                       ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                     ` <4587B762.2030603@yahoo.com.au>
2006-12-19 10:32                       ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-19 10:42                         ` Nick Piggin
2006-12-19 10:47                         ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-19 10:52                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-19 10:58                           ` Nick Piggin
2006-12-19 11:51                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-19 10:55                         ` Nick Piggin
2006-12-19 16:51                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-19 17:43                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-19 18:59                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-19 21:30                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-19 22:51                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-19 22:58                                 ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-19 23:06                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-19 23:07                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-20  0:03                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-20  0:18                                       ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-20 18:02                               ` Stephen Clark
2006-12-20  5:56                             ` Jari Sundell
2006-12-19 21:56                           ` Florian Weimer
2006-12-21 13:03                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-21 20:40                             ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-19 20:03               ` dean gaudet
2006-12-19  7:22             ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-19  7:59               ` Nick Piggin
2006-12-19  8:14                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-19  9:40                   ` Nick Piggin
2006-12-19 16:46                     ` Linus Torvalds

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