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From: david@lang.hm
To: Sean <seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
Cc: Tetsuo Handa <from-lsm@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [AppArmor 39/45] AppArmor: Profile loading and manipulation,pathname matching
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 00:04:15 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0706082356220.6675@asgard.lang.hm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070609014454.2f1f2f91.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>

On Sat, 9 Jun 2007, Sean wrote:

>> so are you suggesting that SELinux would call out to userspace for every
>> file open to get the label for that file?
>>
>
> No, i'm not.  You must already have a kernel function in the current
> implementation of AA that decides the proper policy for each path.  Why
> not use it  to feed labels into SELinux.

if it was this easy just have SELinux set the label == path

you first need to figure out what the path is. right now this can't be 
done, the AA paches provide this capability.

second, the AA policies aren't based just on the path, they are based on 
the program accessing the path, then the path. you can have two different 
policies for two different programs accessing the same path, but for most 
programs (although, not nessasarily most activity) there will be no 
policy, and therefor no need to check the path.

but even if you did these things, why would it be an advantage to use a 
mechanism to create a dummy label and pass it off to different code rather 
then just decideing at that point? once the AA code knows what the policy 
for this path is for this program (which it would need to know to set the 
label) how is it a win to pass this off to another chunk of code? you 
would also need to make sure that the SELinux code didn't try to cache the 
label for future use either, becouse in the future the access may be from 
another program and so the policy that's needed is different.

David Lang

  reply	other threads:[~2007-06-09  7:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 240+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-05-14 11:06 [AppArmor 00/45] AppArmor security module overview jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 01/45] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_create LSM hook jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 02/45] Pass struct path down to remove_suid and children jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 03/45] Add a vfsmount parameter to notify_change() jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 04/45] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_setattr LSM hook jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 05/45] Add struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_mkdir() jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 06/45] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_mkdir LSM hook jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 07/45] Add a struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_mknod() jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 08/45] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_mknod LSM hook jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 09/45] Add a struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_symlink() jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 10/45] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_symlink LSM hook jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 11/45] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_readlink " jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 12/45] Add struct vfsmount parameters to vfs_link() jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 13/45] Pass the struct vfsmounts to the inode_link LSM hook jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 14/45] Add a struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_rmdir() jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 15/45] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_rmdir LSM hook jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 16/45] Call lsm hook before unhashing dentry in vfs_rmdir() jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 17/45] Add a struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_unlink() jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 18/45] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_unlink LSM hook jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 19/45] Add struct vfsmount parameters to vfs_rename() jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 20/45] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_rename LSM hook jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 21/45] Add a struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_setxattr() jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 22/45] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_setxattr LSM hook jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 23/45] Add a struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_getxattr() jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 24/45] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_getxattr LSM hook jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 25/45] Add a struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_listxattr() jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 26/45] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_listxattr LSM hook jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 27/45] Add a struct vfsmount parameter to vfs_removexattr() jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 28/45] Pass struct vfsmount to the inode_removexattr LSM hook jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 29/45] Fix __d_path() for lazy unmounts and make it unambiguous jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 30/45] Make d_path() consistent across mount operations jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 31/45] Add d_namespace_path() to compute namespace relative pathnames jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 32/45] Enable LSM hooks to distinguish operations on file descriptors from operations on pathnames jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 33/45] Pass struct file down the inode_*xattr security LSM hooks jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 34/45] Factor out sysctl pathname code jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 35/45] Allow permission functions to tell between parent and leaf checks jjohansen
2007-05-15  9:08   ` Pavel Machek
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 36/45] Export audit subsystem for use by modules jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 37/45] AppArmor: Main Part jjohansen
2007-05-15  9:12   ` Pavel Machek
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 38/45] AppArmor: Module and LSM hooks jjohansen
2007-05-15  9:14   ` Pavel Machek
2007-05-23 16:16     ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-06-04 10:55       ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-04 11:25         ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-06-04 11:35           ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-04 11:42             ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-06-04 13:12               ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-04 14:30                 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-06-06 13:09                   ` Stephen Smalley
2007-06-10 23:10                     ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-06-11 14:33                       ` Stephen Smalley
2007-06-11 15:55                         ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-06-11 19:02                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-06-12 13:00                             ` Stephen Smalley
2007-06-12 15:34                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-06-12  5:17                                 ` Karl MacMillan
2007-06-12 19:00                                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-06-12 13:13                           ` Stephen Smalley
2007-06-12 23:50                         ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-06-09 12:58                   ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-09 13:44                     ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-06-12 13:06                       ` Pavel Machek
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 39/45] AppArmor: Profile loading and manipulation, pathname matching jjohansen
2007-05-15  9:20   ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-04 21:03     ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-06-06 13:26       ` Stephen Smalley
2007-06-06 17:32         ` Greg KH
2007-06-09 23:47           ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-08 22:03         ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-06-09  0:17           ` Greg KH
2007-06-09  1:06             ` david
2007-06-09  2:01               ` [AppArmor 39/45] AppArmor: Profile loading and manipulation,pathname matching Tetsuo Handa
2007-06-09  3:25                 ` Sean
2007-06-09  4:56                   ` david
2007-06-09  5:10                     ` Sean
2007-06-09  5:38                       ` david
2007-06-09  5:44                         ` Sean
2007-06-09  7:04                           ` david [this message]
2007-06-09  7:28                             ` Sean
2007-06-09  8:03                               ` david
2007-06-09  8:37                                 ` Sean
2007-06-14 17:01                                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-09 11:26                               ` [AppArmor 39/45] AppArmor: Profile loading andmanipulation,pathname matching Tetsuo Handa
2007-06-09 11:35                                 ` Sean
2007-06-09 13:41                                   ` david
2007-06-09 18:37                               ` [AppArmor 39/45] AppArmor: Profile loading and manipulation,pathname matching Casey Schaufler
2007-06-15 13:36                                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-10  8:34               ` [AppArmor 39/45] AppArmor: Profile loading and manipulation, pathname matching Pavel Machek
2007-06-10  9:04                 ` david
2007-06-10 20:04                   ` Casey Schaufler
2007-06-10 20:51                     ` Crispin Cowan
2007-06-11  6:45                       ` david
2007-06-11  8:29                         ` Sean
2007-06-11  9:33                           ` david
2007-06-11 11:34                             ` Sean
2007-06-11 11:00                         ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-10 21:05                   ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-11  6:27                     ` david
2007-06-14 19:16                       ` Jack Stone
2007-06-15  0:18                         ` david
2007-06-15 17:01                           ` Greg KH
2007-06-12 17:03                     ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2007-06-09  5:18             ` david
2007-06-09  5:46               ` Sean
2007-06-09  7:13                 ` david
2007-06-09  7:36                   ` Sean
2007-06-09  8:06                     ` david
2007-06-09  8:10                       ` Sean
2007-06-09 15:17                         ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-06-09 16:36                           ` Sean
2007-06-09 15:33                   ` Joshua Brindle
2007-06-09 16:18               ` Kyle Moffett
2007-06-09 16:46                 ` david
2007-06-09 17:06                   ` Kyle Moffett
2007-06-09 17:32                     ` david
2007-06-09 19:50                       ` Kyle Moffett
2007-06-09 20:43                         ` david
2007-06-10 20:54               ` Crispin Cowan
2007-06-10 21:17                 ` Joshua Brindle
2007-06-09 15:05             ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-06-10 17:09             ` Crispin Cowan
2007-06-15 16:50               ` Greg KH
2007-06-15 18:01                 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-06-15 18:15                   ` Stephen Smalley
2007-06-15 20:43                     ` Casey Schaufler
2007-06-15 21:14                       ` Greg KH
2007-06-15 21:28                         ` Karl MacMillan
2007-06-15 21:44                           ` Greg KH
2007-06-15 22:24                             ` Karl MacMillan
2007-06-18 13:33                               ` Stephen Smalley
2007-06-21 15:54                                 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-06-15 22:37                         ` Casey Schaufler
2007-06-18 12:47                       ` Stephen Smalley
2007-06-15 20:06                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-15 21:11                   ` Greg KH
2007-06-15 21:42                     ` James Morris
2007-06-15 23:50                       ` Greg KH
2007-06-16  1:21                         ` James Morris
2007-06-16  2:57                           ` Casey Schaufler
2007-06-16  3:39                             ` James Morris
2007-06-18  1:51                               ` Casey Schaufler
2007-06-18 11:29                                 ` Joshua Brindle
2007-06-16  4:23                           ` Greg KH
2007-06-15 23:30                     ` Crispin Cowan
2007-06-15 23:49                       ` Greg KH
2007-06-16  0:01                         ` david
2007-06-16  0:20                           ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-22  9:59                             ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-06-16  0:31                           ` Greg KH
2007-06-16  8:09                             ` david
2007-06-16 16:24                               ` Greg KH
2007-06-16  1:41                           ` James Morris
2007-06-16  0:18                         ` Seth Arnold
2007-06-16  0:29                           ` Greg KH
2007-06-16  1:46                           ` James Morris
2007-06-16  2:19                           ` James Morris
2007-06-18 18:48                         ` Crispin Cowan
2007-06-21 16:01                         ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-06-21 17:59                           ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-16  0:02                       ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-21 16:08                         ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2007-06-21 18:33                           ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-21 19:24                             ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2007-06-21 19:42                               ` James Morris
2007-06-21 19:54                                 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2007-06-21 20:59                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2007-06-21 21:17                                     ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2007-06-22  0:16                                       ` Joshua Brindle
2007-06-22  0:19                                         ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2007-06-22  0:28                                         ` david
2007-06-22  3:45                                           ` Joshua Brindle
2007-06-22  5:07                                             ` david
2007-06-22 10:49                                             ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2007-06-22 11:19                                       ` Stephen Smalley
2007-06-22 11:34                                         ` Neil Brown
2007-06-22 11:48                                           ` Stephen Smalley
2007-06-22 11:37                                         ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2007-06-22 12:41                                           ` Stephen Smalley
2007-06-22 12:54                                             ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2007-06-22 13:22                                               ` Stephen Smalley
2007-06-22 14:49                                                 ` Stephen Smalley
2007-06-22 16:06                                             ` Casey Schaufler
2007-06-22  0:34                                     ` Chris Mason
2007-06-22  1:06                                       ` James Morris
2007-06-22  4:17                                         ` Crispin Cowan
2007-06-22 12:20                                           ` Stephen Smalley
2007-06-24 20:45                                             ` David Wagner
2007-06-22  7:40                                         ` John Johansen
2007-06-22 12:17                                         ` Chris Mason
2007-06-22 13:48                                           ` James Morris
2007-06-22 14:02                                             ` Chris Mason
2007-06-22 14:23                                               ` James Morris
2007-06-22 17:30                                                 ` Chris Mason
2007-06-23  0:11                                                   ` Chris Wright
2007-06-24  0:10                                                     ` Toshiharu Harada
2007-06-24  0:40                                                       ` Toshiharu Harada
2007-06-26 21:01                                                     ` Crispin Cowan
2007-06-24 20:43                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-22 18:12                                                 ` david
2007-06-25 15:14                                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-25 21:02                                                 ` david
2007-06-26  8:50                                                 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2007-06-24 21:16                                             ` David Wagner
2007-06-24 21:57                                               ` david
2007-06-28 18:13                                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-28 18:19                                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-24 21:45                                             ` David Wagner
2007-06-28 18:31                                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-24 21:20                                         ` David Wagner
2007-06-22  8:06                                     ` John Johansen
2007-06-22 11:53                                       ` Stephen Smalley
2007-06-22 12:42                                         ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2007-06-22 12:46                                           ` Stephen Smalley
2007-06-22 18:35                                         ` david
2007-06-24 20:48                                         ` David Wagner
2007-06-24 20:35                                     ` David Wagner
2007-06-21 20:07                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-21 20:21                                 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2007-06-21 23:25                                   ` John Johansen
2007-06-21 19:30                             ` david
2007-06-21 19:35                               ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2007-06-21 19:52                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-16  0:48                       ` [AppArmor 39/45] AppArmor: Profile loading and manipulation,pathname matching Tetsuo Handa
2007-06-19 15:25                         ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-15 23:33                   ` [AppArmor 39/45] AppArmor: Profile loading and manipulation, pathname matching Seth Arnold
2007-06-15 23:39                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-16  0:07                       ` Seth Arnold
2007-06-16 15:44                 ` [AppArmor 39/45] AppArmor: Profile loading and manipulation,pathname matching Tetsuo Handa
2007-06-16 16:26                   ` Greg KH
2007-06-16 16:45                     ` [AppArmor 39/45] AppArmor: Profile loading andmanipulation,pathname matching Tetsuo Handa
2007-06-11 15:16           ` [AppArmor 39/45] AppArmor: Profile loading and manipulation, pathname matching Stephen Smalley
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 40/45] AppArmor: all the rest jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 41/45] Add AppArmor LSM to security/Makefile jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 42/45] AppArmor: add lock subtyping so lockdep does not report false dependencies jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 43/45] Switch to vfs_permission() in do_path_lookup() jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 44/45] Switch to vfs_permission() in sys_fchdir() jjohansen
2007-05-14 11:06 ` [AppArmor 45/45] Fix file_permission() jjohansen
2007-05-14 13:50 ` [AppArmor 00/45] AppArmor security module overview John Johansen
2007-10-26  6:40 jjohansen
2007-10-26  6:41 ` [AppArmor 39/45] AppArmor: Profile loading and manipulation, pathname matching jjohansen

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