From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
Jane Chu <jane.chu@oracle.com>,
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Subject: Re: [dm-devel] [PATCH 0/6] dax poison recovery with RWF_RECOVERY_DATA flag
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 09:53:25 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <YYK+hfmB05URYO75@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPcyv4hK18DetEf9+NcDqM5y07Vp-=nhysHJ3JSnKbS-ET2ppw@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, Nov 02, 2021 at 09:03:55AM -0700, Dan Williams wrote:
> > why devices are built to handle them. It is just the Intel-style
> > pmem interface to handle them which is completely broken.
>
> No, any media can report checksum / parity errors. NVME also seems to
> do a poor job with multi-bit ECC errors consumed from DRAM. There is
> nothing "pmem" or "Intel" specific here.
If you do get data corruption from NVMe (which yes can happen despite
the typical very good UBER rate) you just write over it again. You
don't need to magically whack the underlying device. Same for hard
drives.
> > Well, my point is doing recovery from bit errors is by definition not
> > the fast path. Which is why I'd rather keep it away from the pmem
> > read/write fast path, which also happens to be the (much more important)
> > non-pmem read/write path.
>
> I would expect this interface to be useful outside of pmem as a
> "failfast" or "try harder to recover" flag for reading over media
> errors.
Maybe we need to sit down and define useful semantics then? The problem
on the write side isn't really that the behavior with the flag is
undefined, it is more that writes without the flag have horrible
semantics if they don't just clear the error.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-11-03 16:53 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-10-21 0:10 [PATCH 0/6] dax poison recovery with RWF_RECOVERY_DATA flag Jane Chu
2021-10-21 0:10 ` [PATCH 1/6] dax: introduce RWF_RECOVERY_DATA flag to preadv2() and pwritev2() Jane Chu
2021-10-21 0:10 ` [PATCH 2/6] dax: prepare dax_direct_access() API with DAXDEV_F_RECOVERY flag Jane Chu
2021-10-21 11:20 ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-10-21 18:19 ` Jane Chu
2021-10-21 0:10 ` [PATCH 3/6] pmem: pmem_dax_direct_access() to honor the " Jane Chu
2021-10-21 11:23 ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-10-21 18:24 ` Jane Chu
2021-10-21 0:10 ` [PATCH 4/6] dm,dax,pmem: prepare dax_copy_to/from_iter() APIs with DAXDEV_F_RECOVERY Jane Chu
2021-10-21 11:27 ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-10-22 0:49 ` Jane Chu
2021-10-22 1:41 ` correction: " Jane Chu
2021-10-22 5:33 ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-10-22 20:30 ` Jane Chu
2021-10-21 0:10 ` [PATCH 5/6] dax,pmem: Add data recovery feature to pmem_copy_to/from_iter() Jane Chu
2021-10-21 11:28 ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-10-22 0:58 ` Jane Chu
2021-10-21 0:10 ` [PATCH 6/6] dm: Ensure dm honors DAXDEV_F_RECOVERY flag on dax only Jane Chu
2021-10-21 11:31 ` [dm-devel] [PATCH 0/6] dax poison recovery with RWF_RECOVERY_DATA flag Christoph Hellwig
2021-10-22 1:37 ` Jane Chu
2021-10-22 1:58 ` Darrick J. Wong
2021-10-22 5:38 ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-10-22 5:36 ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-10-22 20:52 ` Jane Chu
2021-10-27 6:49 ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-10-28 0:24 ` Darrick J. Wong
2021-10-28 22:59 ` Dave Chinner
2021-10-29 11:46 ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-10-29 16:57 ` Darrick J. Wong
2021-10-29 19:23 ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-10-29 20:08 ` Darrick J. Wong
2021-10-31 13:27 ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-10-29 18:53 ` Jane Chu
2021-10-29 22:32 ` Dave Chinner
2021-10-31 13:19 ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-11-01 2:31 ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-11-02 6:18 ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-11-02 19:57 ` Dan Williams
2021-11-03 16:58 ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-11-03 20:33 ` Dan Williams
2021-11-04 8:30 ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-11-04 12:29 ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-11-04 16:24 ` Dan Williams
2021-11-04 17:43 ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-11-04 17:50 ` Dan Williams
2021-11-04 18:05 ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-11-04 18:33 ` Jane Chu
2021-11-04 19:00 ` Dan Williams
2021-11-04 20:27 ` Jane Chu
2021-11-05 0:46 ` Dan Williams
2021-11-05 1:35 ` Dan Williams
2021-11-05 5:56 ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-11-03 18:09 ` Jane Chu
2021-11-04 6:21 ` Dan Williams
2021-11-04 8:36 ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-11-04 16:08 ` Dan Williams
2021-11-04 17:46 ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-11-04 8:21 ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-11-02 16:12 ` Dan Williams
2021-11-02 16:03 ` Dan Williams
2021-11-03 16:53 ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2021-11-06 7:41 ` Lukas Straub
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