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From: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
To: "Guilherme G. Piccoli" <gpiccoli@igalia.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH V4] notifier/panic: Introduce panic_notifier_filter
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 16:14:33 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Yel8WQiBn/HNQN83@alley> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220108153451.195121-1-gpiccoli@igalia.com>

Adding some more people into Cc. Some modified the logic in the past.
Some are familiar with some interesting areas where the panic
notfiers are used.

On Sat 2022-01-08 12:34:51, Guilherme G. Piccoli wrote:
> The kernel notifier infrastructure allows function callbacks to be
> added in multiple lists, which are then called in the proper time,
> like in a reboot or panic event. The panic_notifier_list specifically
> contains the callbacks that are executed during a panic event. As any
> other notifier list, the panic one has no filtering and all functions
> previously registered are executed.
> 
> The kdump infrastructure, on the other hand, enables users to set
> a crash kernel that is kexec'ed in a panic event, and vmcore/logs
> are collected in such crash kernel. When kdump is set, by default
> the panic notifiers are ignored - the kexec jumps to the crash kernel
> before the list is checked and callbacks executed.
> 
> There are some cases though in which kdump users might want to
> allow panic notifier callbacks to execute _before_ the kexec to
> the crash kernel, for a variety of reasons - for example, users
> may think kexec is very prone to fail and want to give a chance
> to kmsg dumpers to run (and save logs using pstore),

Yes, this seems to be original intention for the
"crash_kexec_post_notifiers" option, see the commit
f06e5153f4ae2e2f3b0300f ("kernel/panic.c: add
"crash_kexec_post_notifiers" option for kdump after panic_notifiers")


> some panic notifier is required to properly quiesce some hardware
> that must be used to the crash kernel.

Do you have any example, please? The above mentioned commit
says "crash_kexec_post_notifiers" actually increases risk
of kdump failure.

Note that kmsg_dump() is called after the notifiers only because
some are printing more information, see the commit
6723734cdff15211bb78a ("panic: call panic handlers before kmsg_dump").
They might still increase the change that kmsg_dump() will never
be called.


> But there's a problem: currently it's an "all-or-nothing" situation,
> the kdump user choice is either to execute all panic notifiers or
> none of them. Given that panic notifiers may increase the risk of a
> kdump failure, this is a tough decision and may affect the debug of
> hard to reproduce bugs, if for some reason the user choice is to
> enable panic notifiers, but kdump then fails.
>
> So, this patch aims to ease this decision: we hereby introduce a filter
> for the panic notifier list, in which users may select specifically
> which callbacks they wish to run, allowing a safer kdump. The allowlist
> should be provided using the parameter "panic_notifier_filter=a,b,..."
> where a, b are valid callback names. Invalid symbols are discarded.

I am afraid that this is almost unusable solution:

   + requires deep knowledge of what each notifier does
   + might need debugging what notifier causes problems
   + the list might need to be updated when new notifiers are added
   + function names are implementation detail and might change
   + requires kallsyms


It is only workaround for a real problem. The problem is that
"panic_notifier_list" is used for many purposes that break
each other.

I checked some notifiers and found few groups:

   + disable watchdogs:
      + hung_task_panic()
      + rcu_panic()

   + dump information:
      + kernel_offset_notifier()
      + trace_panic_handler()     (duplicate of panic_print=0x10)

   + inform hypervisor
      + xen_panic_event()
      + pvpanic_panic_notify()
      + hyperv_panic_event()

   + misc cleanup / flush / blinking
      + panic_event()   in ipmi_msghandler.c
      + panic_happened()   in heartbeat.c
      + led_trigger_panic_notifier()


IMHO, the right solution is to split the callbacks into 2 or more
notifier list. Then we might rework panic() to do:

void panic(void)
{
	[...]

	/* stop watchdogs + extra info */
	atomic_notifier_call_chain(&panic_disable_watchdogs_notifier_list, 0, buf);
	atomic_notifier_call_chain(&panic_info_notifier_list, 0, buf);
	panic_print_sys_info();

	/* crash_kexec + kmsg_dump in configurable order */
	if (!_crash_kexec_post_kmsg_dump) {
		__crash_kexec(NULL);
		smp_send_stop();
	} else {
		crash_smp_send_stop();
	}

	kmsg_dump();
	if (_crash_kexec_post_kmsg_dump)
		__crash_kexec(NULL);

	/* infinite loop or reboot */
	atomic_notifier_call_chain(&panic_hypervisor_notifier_list, 0, buf);
	atomic_notifier_call_chain(&panic_rest_notifier_list, 0, buf);

	console_flush_on_panic(CONSOLE_FLUSH_PENDING);

	if (panic_timeout >= 0) {
		timeout();
		emergency_restart();
	}

	for (i = 0; ; i += PANIC_TIMER_STEP) {
		if (i >= i_next) {
			i += panic_blink(state ^= 1);
			i_next = i + 3600 / PANIC_BLINK_SPD;
		}
		mdelay(PANIC_TIMER_STEP);
	}
}

Two notifier lists might be enough in the above scenario. I would call
them:

	panic_pre_dump_notifier_list
	panic_post_dump_notifier_list


It is a real solution that will help everyone. It is more complicated now
but it will makes things much easier in the long term. And it might be done
step by step:

     1. introduce the two notifier lists
     2. convert all users: one by one
     3. remove the original notifier list when there is no user

Best Regards,
Petr

  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-01-20 15:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-01-08 15:34 [PATCH V4] notifier/panic: Introduce panic_notifier_filter Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-01-14 19:03 ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
     [not found]   ` <CALu+AoR+GrCpf0gqsx_XYETBGUAfRyP+SPNarK179hT7iQmCqQ@mail.gmail.com>
2022-01-18 13:22     ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-01-16 13:11 ` Baoquan He
2022-01-17 12:59   ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-01-20 15:14 ` Petr Mladek [this message]
2022-01-21 20:31   ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-01-22 10:55     ` Baoquan He
2022-01-23 13:07       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2022-01-24 13:59         ` Baoquan He
2022-01-24 14:48           ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-01-26  3:10             ` Baoquan He
2022-01-26 12:20               ` d.hatayama
2022-01-26 13:20               ` Petr Mladek
2022-01-30  8:50                 ` Baoquan He
2022-01-24 11:43       ` d.hatayama
2022-01-24 14:15         ` Baoquan He
2022-01-25 11:50 ` d.hatayama
2022-01-25 12:34   ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-01-25 13:06     ` d.hatayama
2022-01-27 17:16       ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-01-28 13:38         ` Petr Mladek
2022-02-08 18:51           ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-02-09  0:31             ` bhe
2022-02-10 16:39               ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-02-10 17:26                 ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2022-02-10 17:50                   ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-03-06 14:21           ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-03-07  3:42             ` bhe
2022-03-07 13:11               ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-03-07 14:04                 ` bhe
2022-03-07 14:25                   ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-03-08 12:54                     ` Petr Mladek
2022-03-08 13:04                       ` Guilherme G. Piccoli

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