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From: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Cc: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, platform-driver-x86@vger.kernel.org,
	dave.hansen@intel.com, sean.j.christopherson@intel.com,
	nhorman@redhat.com, npmccallum@redhat.com, serge.ayoun@intel.com,
	shay.katz-zamir@intel.com, linux-sgx@vger.kernel.org,
	andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"open list:DOCUMENTATION" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	open list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v14 19/19] x86/sgx: Driver documentation
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 02:45:27 +0300 (EEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1810180205490.5022@jsakkine-mobl1> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181015205436.GA28500@amd>

On Mon, 15 Oct 2018, Pavel Machek wrote:
> On Tue 2018-09-25 16:06:56, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
>> +Intel(R) SGX is a set of CPU instructions that can be used by applications to
>> +set aside private regions of code and data. The code outside the enclave is
>> +disallowed to access the memory inside the enclave by the CPU access control.
>> +In a way you can think that SGX provides inverted sandbox. It protects the
>> +application from a malicious host.
>
> Well, recently hardware had some problems keeping its
> promises. So... what about rowhammer, meltdown and spectre?

Doesn't hardware always have this problem over time?

> Which ones apply, which ones do not, and on what cpu generations?

Definitely should be refined.

Meltdowns approach AFAIK does not work because reads outside the enclave
will always have a predefined value (-1) but only if the page is present,
which was later exploited in the Foreshadow attack.

> Encryption, that sounds nice, but it is hard to do right. If SGX
> protected code changes single bit in its memory, how many bits will be
> changed in physical RAM?

512-bit blocks and merkle tree based mac. It is pretty well documented
in https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/204.pdf. I'll take not to myself to add
this to the references.

Thanks for the feedback. The ocumentation is hard to drive forward w/o it.

/Jarkko

  reply	other threads:[~2018-10-17 23:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-25 13:06 [PATCH v14 00/19] Intel SGX1 support Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-25 13:06 ` [PATCH v14 01/19] x86/sgx: Update MAINTAINERS Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-25 13:06 ` [PATCH v14 02/19] x86/sgx: Architectural structures Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-25 13:06 ` [PATCH v14 03/19] x86/cpufeature: Add SGX and SGX_LC CPU features Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-25 13:06 ` [PATCH v14 04/19] x86/cpufeatures: Add SGX feature bits Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-25 16:48   ` Borislav Petkov
2018-09-26 11:11     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-26 11:36       ` Borislav Petkov
2018-09-27 13:16         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-27 13:51           ` Borislav Petkov
2018-09-27 14:52             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-25 13:06 ` [PATCH v14 05/19] x86/msr: Add SGX definitions to msr-index.h Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-25 13:06 ` [PATCH v14 06/19] x86/mm: x86/sgx: Add new 'PF_SGX' page fault error code bit Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-25 13:06 ` [PATCH v14 07/19] x86/fault: x86/mm/pkeys: relocate stale comment regarding OSPKE Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-25 13:06 ` [PATCH v14 08/19] signal: x86/sgx: Add SIGSEGV siginfo code for SGX EPCM fault Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-26 19:14   ` Sean Christopherson
2018-09-27 18:41   ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-09-25 13:06 ` [PATCH v14 09/19] x86/mm: x86/sgx: Signal SEGV_SGXERR for #PFs w/ PF_SGX Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-25 22:53   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-26 17:35     ` Sean Christopherson
2018-09-26 18:12       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-26 20:16         ` Dave Hansen
2018-09-26 20:44           ` Sean Christopherson
2018-09-26 20:49             ` Dave Hansen
2018-09-26 21:15               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-26 21:45                 ` Dave Hansen
2018-09-26 22:37                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-27 14:21                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-27 14:41                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-27 13:56                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-10-01 21:42                     ` Jethro Beekman
2018-10-01 22:03                       ` Dave Hansen
2018-10-31 21:30                         ` Sean Christopherson
2018-10-31 21:35                           ` Dave Hansen
2018-11-01 17:42                           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-11-01 17:44                             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-10-02  0:31                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-10-01 14:29                 ` Sean Christopherson
2018-10-01 14:41                   ` Dave Hansen
2018-10-02  0:07                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-27 13:42           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-27 14:58             ` Dave Hansen
2018-09-27 15:39               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-27 15:53                 ` Dave Hansen
2018-09-27 13:14     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-27 19:43   ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-09-28 12:17     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-25 13:06 ` [PATCH v14 10/19] x86/sgx: Detect Intel SGX Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-25 20:02   ` Randy Dunlap
2018-09-27 13:13     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-25 13:06 ` [PATCH v14 11/19] x86/sgx: Add wrappers for ENCLS leaf functions Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-25 20:01   ` Randy Dunlap
2018-09-27 13:12     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-25 13:06 ` [PATCH v14 12/19] x86/sgx: Add data structures for tracking the EPC pages Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-25 20:00   ` Randy Dunlap
2018-09-27 13:11     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-25 13:06 ` [PATCH v14 13/19] x86/sgx: Enclave Page Cache (EPC) memory manager Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-25 13:06 ` [PATCH v14 14/19] x86/sgx: Add sgx_einit() for initializing enclaves Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-25 13:06 ` [PATCH v14 15/19] platform/x86: Intel SGX driver Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-10-04 18:01   ` Sean Christopherson
2018-10-05 11:32     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-25 13:06 ` [PATCH v14 16/19] platform/x86: Add swapping functionality to the " Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-25 13:06 ` [PATCH v14 17/19] x86/sgx: Add a simple swapper for the EPC memory manager Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-25 13:06 ` [PATCH v14 18/19] platform/x86: ptrace() support for the SGX driver Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-25 13:06 ` [PATCH v14 19/19] x86/sgx: Driver documentation Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-09-25 13:27   ` Jonathan Corbet
2018-10-15 20:54   ` Pavel Machek
2018-10-17 23:45     ` Jarkko Sakkinen [this message]
2018-10-18  9:57       ` Pavel Machek
2018-10-19 23:59         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-10-17 23:56     ` Dave Hansen

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