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* (Censored) Why will no-one sue GrSecurity for their blatant GPL violation (of GCC and the linux kernel)?
@ 2019-10-31 23:02 gameonlinux
  2019-11-01  7:02 ` Jean Louis
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread
From: gameonlinux @ 2019-10-31 23:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: gnu-system-discuss; +Cc: bruce, rms, esr, torvalds, bugs, ams, linux-kernel

I tried to send this to the list, but it was dropped as "spam", which is 
no surprise since the some want to screen communications to RMS and thus 
control him.

RMS:
Could you share your thoughts, if any, of why no one will sue GrSecurity 
("Open Source Security" (a Pennsylvania company)) for their blatant 
violation of section 6 of version 2 of the GNU General Public License?

Both regarding their GCC plugins and their Linux-Kernel patch which is a 
non-separable derivative work?

They distribute such under a no-redistribution agreement to paying 
customers (the is the only distribution they do). If the customer 
redistributes the derivative works they are punished.

That is: GrSecurity (OSS) has created a contract to /Defeat/ the GPL and 
has done so successfully so far. Very successfully. The GPL is basically 
the BSD license now, since such as been allowed to stand.

This is how businesses see the GPL. They are no longer afraid: They will 
simply do what GrSecurity has done. Something that was supposed to stay 
liberated: a security patch that helped users maintain their privacy by 
not being immediately rooted when using a linux kernel on a GNU system; 
is now non-free.

With this the GPL _fails_.

NO ONE has sued GrSecurity. Thus they are seen as "having it right" 
"correct" "we can do this".

Wouldn't the FSF have standing regarding the GCC plugins atleast?
Couldn't you all rally linux-kernel copyright holders to bring a joint 
action?

References:
perens.com/2017/06/28/warning-grsecurity-potential-contributory-infringement-risk-for-customers/

perens.com/static/OSS_Spenger_v_Perens/0_2018cv15189/docs1/pdf/18.pdf
(Page 10 onward of this brief gives a good recitation of the facts and 
issues

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* Re: (Censored) Why will no-one sue GrSecurity for their blatant GPL violation (of GCC and the linux kernel)?
  2019-10-31 23:02 (Censored) Why will no-one sue GrSecurity for their blatant GPL violation (of GCC and the linux kernel)? gameonlinux
@ 2019-11-01  7:02 ` Jean Louis
  2019-11-02  0:48   ` gameonlinux
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread
From: Jean Louis @ 2019-11-01  7:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: gameonlinux
  Cc: gnu-system-discuss, bruce, rms, esr, torvalds, ams, linux-kernel

* gameonlinux@redchan.it <gameonlinux@redchan.it> [2019-11-01 00:03]:
> I tried to send this to the list, but it was dropped as spam, which is no
> surprise since the some want to screen communications to RMS and thus
> control him.

... cut...

> Wouldn't the FSF have standing regarding the GCC plugins atleast?
> Couldn't you all rally linux-kernel copyright holders to bring a joint
> action?
> 
> References:
> perens.com/2017/06/28/warning-grsecurity-potential-contributory-infringement-risk-for-customers/
> 
> perens.com/static/OSS_Spenger_v_Perens/0_2018cv15189/docs1/pdf/18.pdf
> (Page 10 onward of this brief gives a good recitation of the facts and
> issues

Recommended reads:

Enforcing the GNU GPL by Eben Moglen
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/enforcing-gpl.html

and

The Principles of Community-Oriented GPL Enforcement by Joshua Gay
https://www.fsf.org/licensing/enforcement-principles

Jean

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* Re: (Censored) Why will no-one sue GrSecurity for their blatant GPL violation (of GCC and the linux kernel)?
  2019-11-01  7:02 ` Jean Louis
@ 2019-11-02  0:48   ` gameonlinux
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 3+ messages in thread
From: gameonlinux @ 2019-11-02  0:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jean Louis
  Cc: gnu-system-discuss, bruce, rms, esr, torvalds, ams, linux-kernel

I have a law license, I don't need to read about who has standing to 
sue, and how to do so (Copyright Litigation (COPYLITG on Westlaw) is 
good enough for that).

I want to know why you guys (Fsf for the GCC plugins, and various kernel 
copyright holders for the kernel patch) will not sue GrSecurity, and why 
there is no discussion.

You just won't discuss this blatant foundational violation.

Why has my post been spam filtered/black holed.

On 2019-11-01 07:02, Jean Louis wrote:
> * gameonlinux@redchan.it <gameonlinux@redchan.it> [2019-11-01 00:03]:
>> I tried to send this to the list, but it was dropped as spam, which is 
>> no
>> surprise since the some want to screen communications to RMS and thus
>> control him.
> 
> ... cut...
> 
>> Wouldn't the FSF have standing regarding the GCC plugins atleast?
>> Couldn't you all rally linux-kernel copyright holders to bring a joint
>> action?
>> 
>> References:
>> perens.com/2017/06/28/warning-grsecurity-potential-contributory-infringement-risk-for-customers/
>> 
>> perens.com/static/OSS_Spenger_v_Perens/0_2018cv15189/docs1/pdf/18.pdf
>> (Page 10 onward of this brief gives a good recitation of the facts and
>> issues
> 
> Recommended reads:
> 
> Enforcing the GNU GPL by Eben Moglen
> https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/enforcing-gpl.html
> 
> and
> 
> The Principles of Community-Oriented GPL Enforcement by Joshua Gay
> https://www.fsf.org/licensing/enforcement-principles
> 
> Jean

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