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From: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Cc: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>,
	Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Dmitry Safonov <dima@arista.com>,
	Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] printk: Add loglevel for "do not print to consoles".
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 01:23:15 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b1d507b1-dae7-f526-c74a-d465ddecea6a@i-love.sakura.ne.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200428154532.GU28637@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On 2020/04/29 0:45, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Tue 28-04-20 22:11:19, Tetsuo Handa wrote:
>> Existing KERN_$LEVEL allows a user to determine whether he/she wants that message
>> to be printed on consoles (even if it spams his/her operation doing on consoles), and
>> at the same time constrains that user whether that message is saved to log files.
>> KERN_NO_CONSOLES allows a user to control whether he/she wants that message to be
>> saved to log files (without spamming his/her operation doing on consoles).
> 
> I understand that. But how do I know whether the user considers the
> particular information important enough to be dumped on the console.
> This sounds like a policy in the kernel to me.

I'm still unable to understand your question.

>                                                I simply cannot forsee
> any console configuration to tell whether my information is going to
> swamp the console to no use or not.

Neither can I.

>                                     Compare that to KERN_$LEVEL instead.
> I know that an information is of low/high importance. It is the user
> policy to decide and base some filtering on top of that priority.

Whether to use KERN_NO_CONSOLES is not per-importance basis but per-content basis.

Since both pr_info("[%7d] %5d %5d %8lu %8lu %8ld %8lu         %5hd %s\n", ...) from dump_tasks() and
pr_info("oom-kill:constraint=%s,nodemask=%*pbl", ...) from dump_oom_summary() use KERN_INFO importance,
existing KERN_$LEVEL-based approach cannot handle these messages differently. Since changing the former to
e.g. KERN_DEBUG will cause userspace to discard the messages, we effectively can't change KERN_$LEVEL.
If the kernel allows the former to use KERN_NO_CONSOLES in addition to KERN_INFO, the administrator can
select from two choices: printing "both the former and the latter" or "only the latter" to consoles.


  reply	other threads:[~2020-04-28 16:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-04-24  2:42 [PATCH] printk: Add loglevel for "do not print to consoles" Tetsuo Handa
2020-04-24 13:28 ` Steven Rostedt
2020-04-24 14:00   ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-04-24 14:31     ` Steven Rostedt
2020-04-24 15:28       ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-04-24 15:42         ` Steven Rostedt
2020-04-24 15:52           ` Dmitry Safonov
2020-04-24 16:10           ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-04-24 16:21             ` Steven Rostedt
2020-04-24 16:34               ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-04-25  0:46 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2020-04-25  1:07   ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-04-27  6:21     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2020-04-28 11:33       ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-04-28 12:18         ` Michal Hocko
2020-04-28 13:11           ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-04-28 15:45             ` Michal Hocko
2020-04-28 16:23               ` Tetsuo Handa [this message]
2020-04-29 14:21                 ` Michal Hocko
2020-04-29 16:35                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-05-13  6:26                     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2020-05-13  7:58                       ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-05-13 10:04                         ` Petr Mladek
2020-05-13 10:49                           ` Michal Hocko
2020-05-13 11:24                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-05-13 12:19                               ` Petr Mladek
2020-05-13 12:59                                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-05-14  8:00                                   ` Petr Mladek
2020-05-14 11:23                                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-05-14 16:26                                       ` Petr Mladek
2020-05-14 23:24                                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-05-13 11:03                           ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-05-13 12:34                             ` Petr Mladek
2020-05-13 13:46                             ` Steven Rostedt
2020-05-13 14:03                               ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-05-13 13:55                             ` Steven Rostedt
2020-05-13 15:20                               ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-05-06  9:45         ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-05-06 15:26           ` Joe Perches
2020-05-07  0:50             ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-05-07  1:02               ` Joe Perches
2020-05-07  5:13                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2020-05-07  5:30                   ` Joe Perches
2020-05-07  5:39                     ` Tetsuo Handa

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