linux-kernel.vger.kernel.org archive mirror
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Johan Hovold <johan@kernel.org>,
	Lucas De Marchi <lucas.demarchi@intel.com>,
	Petr Pavlu <petr.pavlu@suse.com>,
	gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, rafael@kernel.org, song@kernel.org,
	lucas.de.marchi@gmail.com, christophe.leroy@csgroup.eu,
	peterz@infradead.org, rppt@kernel.org, dave@stgolabs.net,
	willy@infradead.org, vbabka@suse.cz, mhocko@suse.com,
	dave.hansen@linux.intel.com, colin.i.king@gmail.com,
	jim.cromie@gmail.com, catalin.marinas@arm.com, jbaron@akamai.com,
	rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com, yujie.liu@intel.com,
	tglx@linutronix.de, hch@lst.de, patches@lists.linux.dev,
	linux-modules@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, pmladek@suse.com,
	prarit@redhat.com, lennart@poettering.net
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] module: add support to avoid duplicates early on load
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2023 17:19:58 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ba60bca6-b682-4c27-3c54-2512b6f16151@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZHd8bLPY4OQCb/Z5@bombadil.infradead.org>

On 31.05.23 18:57, Luis Chamberlain wrote:
> On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 09:51:41AM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>> On 30.05.23 18:22, Luis Chamberlain wrote:
>>> On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 09:55:15PM -0400, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>>>> On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 11:18 AM Johan Hovold <johan@kernel.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I took a closer look at some of the modules that failed to load and
>>>>> noticed a pattern in that they have dependencies that are needed by more
>>>>> than one device.
>>>>
>>>> Ok, this is a "maybe something like this" RFC series of two patches -
>>>> one trivial one to re-organize things a bit so that we can then do the
>>>> real one which uses a filter based on the inode pointer to return an
>>>> "idempotent return value" for module loads that share the same inode.
>>>>
>>>> It's entirely untested, and since I'm on the road I'm going to not
>>>> really be able to test it. It compiles for me, and the code looks
>>>> fairly straightforward, but it's probably buggy.
>>>>
>>>> It's very loosely based on Luis' attempt,  but it
>>>>    (a) is internal to module loading
>>>>    (b) uses a reliable cookie
>>>>    (c) doesn't leave the cookie around randomly for later
>>>>    (d) has seen absolutely no testing
>>>>
>>>> Put another way: if somebody wants to play with this, please treat it
>>>> as a starting point, not the final thing. You might need to debug
>>>> things, and fix silly mistakes.
>>>>
>>>> The idea is to just have a simple hash list of currently executing
>>>> module loads, protected by a trivial spinlock. Every module loader
>>>> adds itself to the right hash list, and if they were the *first* one
>>>> (ie no other pending module loads for that inode), will actually do
>>>> the module load.
>>>>
>>>> Everybody who *isn't* the first one will just wait for completion and
>>>> return the same error code that the first one returned.
>>>
>>> That's also a hell much more snazzier MODULE_DEBUG_AUTOLOAD_DUPS if we
>>> ever wanted to do something similar there if we wanted to also
>>> join request_module() calls, instead of it hiding under debug.
>>>
>>>> This is technically bogus. The first one might fail due to arguments.
>>>
>>> For boot it's fine, as I can't think of boot wanting to support trying
>>> to load a module with different arguments but who knows. But I can't
>>> see it sensible to issue concurrent multiple requests for modules
>>> with different arguments without waiting in userspace for the first
>>> to fail.
>>>
>>> Even post-boot, doing that sounds rather insane, but it would certainly
>>> be a compromise and should probably be clearly documented. I think just
>>> a comment acknolwedging that corner case seems sensible.
>>>
>>> Because we won't be able to get the arguments until we process the
>>> module, so it would be too late for this optimization on kread. So it is
>>> why I had also stuck to the original feature being in kread, as then it
>>> provides a uniq kread call and the caller is aware of it. But indeed I
>>> had not considered the effects of arguments.
>>>
>>> Lucas, any thoughts from modules kmod userspace perspective into
>>> supporting anyone likely issuing concurrent modules requests with
>>> differing arguments?
>>>
>>>> So the cookie shouldn't be just the inode, it should be the inode and
>>>> a hash of the arguments or something like that.
>>>
>>> Personally I think it's a fine optimization without the arguments.
>>>
>>>> But it is what it is,
>>>> and apart from possible show-stopper bugs this is no worse than the
>>>> failed "exclusive write deny" attempt. IOW - maybe worth trying?
>>>
>>> The only thing I can think of is allowing threads other than the
>>> first one to complete before the one that actually loaded the
>>> module. I thought about this race for module auto-loading, see
>>> the comment in kmod_dup_request_announce(), so that just
>>> further delays the completion to other thread with a stupid
>>> queue_work(). That seems more important for module auto-loading
>>> duplicates than for boot finit_module() duplicates. But not sure
>>> if odering matters in the end due to a preemtible kernel and maybe
>>> that concern is hysteria.
>>>
>>>> And if *that* didn't sell people on this patch series, I don't know
>>>> what will. I should be in marketing! Two drink minimums, here I come!
>>>
>>> Sold:
>>>
>>> on 255 vcpus 0 duplicates found with this setup:
>>>
>>> root@kmod ~ # cat /sys/kernel/debug/modules/stats
>>>            Mods ever loaded       66
>>>        Mods failed on kread       0
>>> Mods failed on decompress       0
>>>     Mods failed on becoming       0
>>>         Mods failed on load       0
>>>           Total module size       11268096
>>>         Total mod text size       4149248
>>>          Failed kread bytes       0
>>>     Failed decompress bytes       0
>>>       Failed becoming bytes       0
>>>           Failed kmod bytes       0
>>>    Virtual mem wasted bytes       0
>>>            Average mod size       170729
>>>       Average mod text size       62868
>>>
>>> So:
>>>
>>> Tested-by: Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>
>>>
>>> In terms of bootup timing:
>>>
>>> Before:
>>> Startup finished in 41.653s (kernel) + 44.305s (userspace) = 1min 25.958s
>>> graphical.target reached after 44.178s in userspace.
>>> After:
>>> Startup finished in 23.995s (kernel) + 40.350s (userspace) = 1min 4.345s
>>> graphical.target reached after 40.226s in userspace.
>>
>> I'll try grabbing the system where we saw the KASAN-related issues [1] and
>> give it a churn with and without the two patches. Might take a bit (~1 day),
>> unfortunately.
>>
>> [1] https://lkml.kernel.org/r/20221013180518.217405-1-david@redhat.com
> 
> Great, don't forget:
> 
> diff --git a/kernel/module/main.c b/kernel/module/main.c
> index 82b0dcc1fe77..222015093eeb 100644
> --- a/kernel/module/main.c
> +++ b/kernel/module/main.c
> @@ -3066,7 +3066,7 @@ struct idempotent {
>   
>   #define IDEM_HASH_BITS 8
>   static struct hlist_head idem_hash[1 << IDEM_HASH_BITS];
> -static struct spinlock idem_lock;
> +static DEFINE_SPINLOCK(idem_lock);
>   
>   static bool idempotent(struct idempotent *u, const void *cookie)
>   {
> 

Finally was able to run it on that ThinkSystem SR950 with 8 populated
sockets -> 224 cores and 448 logical CPUs.

The KASAN vmap issues on that system were already no longer reproducible with your
(Luis) previous work that's already in master.

I tested a !debug and debug config (both based on corresponding RHEL9 configs), comparing
929ed21dfdb6 ("master") with 929ed21dfdb6 + Linus' patches ("patched").


Unfortunately, boot times vary a lot, and I did not figure out how to reduce
the noise. I captured the "systemd-analyze blame" output as well.


1) !debug config (not enabling KASAN)

a) master

Startup finished in 32.225s (kernel) + 7.399s (initrd) + 20.378s (userspace) = 1min 3ms
multi-user.target reached after 20.352s in userspace.
Startup finished in 43.734s (kernel) + 7.288s (initrd) + 19.827s (userspace) = 1min 10.851s
multi-user.target reached after 19.800s in userspace.
Startup finished in 50.514s (kernel) + 7.171s (initrd) + 24.757s (userspace) = 1min 22.443s
multi-user.target reached after 24.734s in userspace.
Startup finished in 26.722s (kernel) + 7.249s (initrd) + 23.923s (userspace) = 57.895s
multi-user.target reached after 23.892s in userspace.

b) patched

Startup finished in 36.318s (kernel) + 7.177s (initrd) + 21.383s (userspace) = 1min 4.879s
multi-user.target reached after 21.355s in userspace.
Startup finished in 36.318s (kernel) + 7.177s (initrd) + 21.383s (userspace) = 1min 4.879s
multi-user.target reached after 21.355s in userspace.
Startup finished in 1min 34.678s (kernel) + 7.239s (initrd) + 24.066s (userspace) = 2min 5.985s
multi-user.target reached after 24.040s in userspace.
Startup finished in 25.879s (kernel) + 7.144s (initrd) + 29.665s (userspace) = 1min 2.689s
multi-user.target reached after 29.637s in userspace.



2) debug config (enabling KASAN)

a) master

Startup finished in 2min 12.695s (kernel) + 25.058s (initrd) + 1min 13.012s (userspace) = 3min 50.765s
multi-user.target reached after 1min 12.903s in userspace.
Startup finished in 1min 45.400s (kernel) + 24.294s (initrd) + 1min 8.910s (userspace) = 3min 18.606s
multi-user.target reached after 1min 8.786s in userspace.
Startup finished in 2min 4.857s (kernel) + 24.715s (initrd) + 1min 5.088s (userspace) = 3min 34.660s
multi-user.target reached after 1min 4.967s in userspace.
Startup finished in 3min 20.400s (kernel) + 24.703s (initrd) + 1min 5.469s (userspace) = 4min 50.573s
multi-user.target reached after 1min 5.344s in userspace.

b) patched

Startup finished in 2min 5.250s (kernel) + 25.049s (initrd) + 1min 1.961s (userspace) = 3min 32.262s
multi-user.target reached after 1min 1.844s in userspace.
Startup finished in 1min 52.524s (kernel) + 24.897s (initrd) + 1min 5.062s (userspace) = 3min 22.484s
multi-user.target reached after 1min 4.916s in userspace.
Startup finished in 9min 36.817s (kernel) + 24.859s (initrd) + 1min 18.657s (userspace) = 11min 20.335s
multi-user.target reached after 1min 18.455s in userspace.
Startup finished in 30min 20.715s (kernel) + 24.722s (initrd) + 1min 7.039s (userspace) = 31min 52.476s
multi-user.target reached after 1min 6.907s in userspace.


What concerns me a bit, is that on the patched kernel we seem to hit more cases where
boot takes much longer (in both kernel configs).

I'll do some more runs/investigation to see if this is reproducible or just some system oddity.

Staring just at the udev settle time (systemd-analyze blame), it's very similar between both kernel
versions.

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb


  reply	other threads:[~2023-06-02 15:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-24 21:36 [PATCH 0/2] module: avoid all memory pressure due to duplicates Luis Chamberlain
2023-05-24 21:36 ` [PATCH 1/2] fs/kernel_read_file: add support for duplicate detection Luis Chamberlain
2023-05-24 21:52   ` Linus Torvalds
2023-05-24 21:56     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-05-24 22:07       ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-05-25  4:00     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-05-25 18:08       ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-05-25 18:35         ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-05-25 18:50         ` Linus Torvalds
2023-05-25 19:32           ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-05-25  7:01     ` Christian Brauner
2023-05-24 21:36 ` [PATCH 2/2] module: add support to avoid duplicates early on load Luis Chamberlain
2023-05-25 11:40   ` Petr Pavlu
2023-05-25 16:07     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-05-25 16:42       ` Greg KH
2023-05-25 18:22         ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-05-25 17:52       ` Linus Torvalds
2023-05-25 18:45       ` Lucas De Marchi
2023-05-25 21:12         ` Linus Torvalds
2023-05-25 22:02           ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-05-26  1:39             ` Linus Torvalds
2023-05-29  8:58               ` Johan Hovold
2023-05-29 11:00                 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-05-29 12:44                   ` Johan Hovold
2023-05-29 15:18                     ` Johan Hovold
2023-05-30  1:55                       ` Linus Torvalds
2023-05-30  9:40                         ` Johan Hovold
2023-06-05 12:25                           ` Johan Hovold
2023-05-30 16:22                         ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-05-30 17:16                           ` Lucas De Marchi
2023-05-30 19:41                             ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-05-30 22:17                               ` Linus Torvalds
2023-05-31  5:30                                 ` Lucas De Marchi
2023-05-31  0:31                           ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-05-31  7:51                           ` David Hildenbrand
2023-05-31 16:57                             ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-06-02 15:19                               ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2023-06-02 16:04                                 ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-06-05 11:26                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2023-06-05 15:17                                     ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-06-05 15:28                                       ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-06-28 18:52                                         ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-06-28 20:14                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2023-06-28 22:07                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2023-06-28 23:17                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2023-06-29  0:18                                                 ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-06-02 16:06                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-06-02 16:37                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2023-05-30 22:45                         ` Dan Williams
2023-06-04 14:26                         ` Rudi Heitbaum
2023-05-29 17:47                     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-05-30 10:01                       ` Johan Hovold
2023-05-25 16:54     ` Lucas De Marchi

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=ba60bca6-b682-4c27-3c54-2512b6f16151@redhat.com \
    --to=david@redhat.com \
    --cc=catalin.marinas@arm.com \
    --cc=christophe.leroy@csgroup.eu \
    --cc=colin.i.king@gmail.com \
    --cc=dave.hansen@linux.intel.com \
    --cc=dave@stgolabs.net \
    --cc=gregkh@linuxfoundation.org \
    --cc=hch@lst.de \
    --cc=jbaron@akamai.com \
    --cc=jim.cromie@gmail.com \
    --cc=johan@kernel.org \
    --cc=lennart@poettering.net \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-mm@kvack.org \
    --cc=linux-modules@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=lucas.de.marchi@gmail.com \
    --cc=lucas.demarchi@intel.com \
    --cc=mcgrof@kernel.org \
    --cc=mhocko@suse.com \
    --cc=patches@lists.linux.dev \
    --cc=peterz@infradead.org \
    --cc=petr.pavlu@suse.com \
    --cc=pmladek@suse.com \
    --cc=prarit@redhat.com \
    --cc=rafael@kernel.org \
    --cc=rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com \
    --cc=rppt@kernel.org \
    --cc=song@kernel.org \
    --cc=tglx@linutronix.de \
    --cc=torvalds@linux-foundation.org \
    --cc=vbabka@suse.cz \
    --cc=willy@infradead.org \
    --cc=yujie.liu@intel.com \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).