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From: Matt Brown <matt@nmatt.com>
To: James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	Boris Lukashev <blukashev@sempervictus.com>
Cc: Alan Cox <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com,
	linux-security-module <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH v7 2/2] security: tty: make TIOCSTI ioctl require CAP_SYS_ADMIN
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 00:10:17 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cb0daac8-bd8d-0780-cf04-46033f8fea10@nmatt.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LRH.2.20.1705311239420.6920@namei.org>

On 05/30/2017 10:48 PM, James Morris wrote:
> On Mon, 29 May 2017, Boris Lukashev wrote:
>
>> With all due respect sir, i believe your review falls short of the
>> purpose of this effort - to harden the kernel against flaws in
>> userspace.
>
> Which effort?  Kernel self protection is about protecting against flaws in
> the kernel.
>
> See:
> https://kernsec.org/wiki/index.php/Kernel_Self_Protection_Project
>
>   "This project starts with the premise that kernel bugs have a very long
>    lifetime, and that the kernel must be designed in ways to protect against
>    these flaws."
>
> We need to avoid conflating:
>
> - hardening the kernel against attack; and
> - modifying the kernel to try and harden userspace.
>
> These patches are the latter, and the case for them is not as
> straightforward.
>
>
> - James
>

I agree that these patches aren't kernel self protection and I don't
believe I have claimed they are such a thing. These patches I'm
presenting are more akin to ptrace protections that are found in Yama.

  reply	other threads:[~2017-05-31  4:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-05-29 21:37 [PATCH v7 0/2] security: tty: make TIOCSTI ioctl require CAP_SYS_ADMIN Matt Brown
2017-05-29 21:37 ` [PATCH v7 1/2] security: tty: Add owner user namespace to tty_struct Matt Brown
2017-05-29 21:38 ` [PATCH v7 2/2] security: tty: make TIOCSTI ioctl require CAP_SYS_ADMIN Matt Brown
2017-05-29 22:26   ` Alan Cox
2017-05-29 23:51     ` [kernel-hardening] " Boris Lukashev
2017-05-30  0:27       ` Casey Schaufler
2017-05-30  2:00         ` Matt Brown
2017-05-30  2:46           ` Casey Schaufler
2017-05-30  3:18             ` Matt Brown
2017-05-30 12:24               ` Alan Cox
2017-05-30 16:28                 ` Matt Brown
2017-05-30 16:44                   ` Daniel Micay
2017-05-30 18:32                   ` Stephen Smalley
2017-05-30 18:44                     ` Nick Kralevich
2017-05-30 18:57                       ` Matt Brown
2017-05-30 20:22                         ` Daniel Micay
2017-05-30 23:00                           ` Matt Brown
2017-05-30 23:40                             ` Daniel Micay
2017-05-30 23:59                               ` Matt Brown
2017-05-30 22:51                   ` Alan Cox
2017-05-30 23:19                     ` Matt Brown
2017-05-30 23:56                       ` Alan Cox
2017-06-01  2:35                         ` Kees Cook
2017-06-01 13:08                           ` Alan Cox
2017-06-01 17:18                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-01 21:26                               ` Alan Cox
2017-06-01 18:58                             ` Kees Cook
2017-06-01 21:24                               ` Alan Cox
2017-06-02 14:46                                 ` Matt Brown
2017-06-02 15:36                                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-02 16:02                                     ` Matt Brown
2017-06-02 16:57                                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-02 17:32                                         ` Matt Brown
2017-06-02 18:18                                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-02 19:22                                             ` Matt Brown
2017-06-02 19:25                                               ` Kees Cook
2017-06-02 19:26                                                 ` Matt Brown
2017-06-02 20:05                                       ` Alan Cox
2017-06-02 20:11                                         ` Nick Kralevich
2017-06-02 20:46                                         ` Matt Brown
2017-06-03 22:00                                           ` Alan Cox
2017-06-03 22:22                                             ` Matt Brown
2017-06-04  3:37                                               ` Peter Dolding
2017-05-30 15:20               ` Casey Schaufler
2017-05-30 16:09                 ` Matt Brown
2017-06-04  6:29         ` Boris Lukashev
2017-05-31  2:48       ` James Morris
2017-05-31  4:10         ` Matt Brown [this message]
2017-05-30  0:15     ` Matt Brown

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