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From: Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>
To: mbizon@freebox.fr,
	"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@toke.dk>
Cc: Netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>, Kalle Valo <kvalo@kernel.org>,
	linux-wireless <linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org>,
	Oleksandr Natalenko <oleksandr@natalenko.name>,
	stable <stable@vger.kernel.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com>,
	iommu <iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Olha Cherevyk <olha.cherevyk@gmail.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [REGRESSION] Recent swiotlb DMA_FROM_DEVICE fixes break ath9k-based AP
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2022 11:27:41 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cce202fb-5185-aa3e-9e9b-11626192cb49@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <31434708dcad126a8334c99ee056dcce93e507f1.camel@freebox.fr>

On 2022-03-25 10:25, Maxime Bizon wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 2022-03-24 at 12:26 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
>>
>> It's actually very natural in that situation to flush the caches from
>> the CPU side again. And so dma_sync_single_for_device() is a fairly
>> reasonable thing to do in that situation.
>>
> 
> In the non-cache-coherent scenario, and assuming dma_map() did an
> initial cache invalidation, you can write this:
> 
> rx_buffer_complete_1(buf)
> {
> 	invalidate_cache(buf, size)
> 	if (!is_ready(buf))
> 		return;
> 	<proceed with receive>
> }
> 
> or
> 
> rx_buffer_complete_2(buf)
> {
> 	if (!is_ready(buf)) {
> 		invalidate_cache(buf, size)
> 		return;
> 	}
> 	<proceed with receive>
> }
> 
> The latter is preferred for performance because dma_map() did the
> initial invalidate.
> 
> Of course you could write:
> 
> rx_buffer_complete_3(buf)
> {
> 	invalidate_cache(buf, size)
> 	if
> (!is_ready(buf)) {
> 		invalidate_cache(buf, size)
> 		return;
> 	}
> 	
> <proceed with receive>
> }
> 
> 
> but it's a waste of CPU cycles
> 
> So I'd be very cautious assuming sync_for_cpu() and sync_for_device()
> are both doing invalidation in existing implementation of arch DMA ops,
> implementers may have taken some liberty around DMA-API to avoid
> unnecessary cache operation (not to blame them).

Right, if you have speculatively-prefetching caches, you have to 
invalidate DMA_FROM_DEVICE in unmap/sync_for_cpu, since a cache may have 
pulled in a snapshot of partly-written data at any point beforehand. But 
if you don't, then you can simply invalidate up-front in 
map/sync_for_device to tie in with the other directions, and trust that 
it stays that way for the duration.

What muddies the waters a bit is that the opposite combination 
sync_for_cpu(DMA_TO_DEVICE) really *should* always be a no-op, and I for 
one have already made the case for eliding that in code elsewhere, but 
it doesn't necessarily hold for the inverse here, hence why I'm not sure 
there even is a robust common solution for peeking at a live 
DMA_FROM_DEVICE buffer.

Robin.

> For example looking at arch/arm/mm/dma-mapping.c, for DMA_FROM_DEVICE
> 
> sync_single_for_device()
>    => __dma_page_cpu_to_dev()
>      => dma_cache_maint_page(op=dmac_map_area)
>        => cpu_cache.dma_map_area()
> 
> sync_single_for_cpu()
>    => __dma_page_dev_to_cpu()
>      =>
> __dma_page_cpu_to_dev(op=dmac_unmap_area)
>        =>
> cpu_cache.dma_unmap_area()
> 
> dma_map_area() always does cache invalidate.
> 
> But for a couple of CPU variant, dma_unmap_area() is a noop, so
> sync_for_cpu() does nothing.
> 
> Toke's patch will break ath9k on those platforms (mostly silent
> breakage, rx corruption leading to bad performance)
> 
> 
>> There's a fair number of those dma_sync_single_for_device() things
>> all over. Could we find mis-uses and warn about them some way? It
>> seems to be a very natural thing to do in this context, but bounce
>> buffering does make them very fragile.
> 
> At least in network drivers, there are at least two patterns:
> 
> 1) The issue at hand, hardware mixing rx_status and data inside the
> same area. Usually very old hardware, very quick grep in network
> drivers only revealed slicoss.c. Probably would have gone unnoticed if
> ath9k hardware wasn't so common.
> 
> 
> 2) The very common "copy break" pattern. If a received packet is
> smaller than a certain threshold, the driver rx path is changed to do:
> 
>   sync_for_cpu()
>   alloc_small_skb()
>   memcpy(small_skb, rx_buffer_data)
>   sync_for_device()
> 
> Original skb is left in the hardware, this reduces memory wasted.
> 
> This pattern is completely valid wrt DMA-API, the buffer is always
> either owned by CPU or device.
> 
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2022-03-25 11:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-03-23  7:19 [REGRESSION] Recent swiotlb DMA_FROM_DEVICE fixes break ath9k-based AP Oleksandr Natalenko
2022-03-23  7:28 ` Kalle Valo
2022-03-23 17:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-23 19:06   ` Robin Murphy
2022-03-23 19:16     ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-23 20:54       ` Robin Murphy
2022-03-24  5:57         ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-24 10:25           ` Oleksandr Natalenko
2022-03-24 11:05             ` Robin Murphy
2022-03-24 14:27               ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2022-03-24 16:29                 ` Maxime Bizon
2022-03-24 16:31                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-24 16:52                     ` Robin Murphy
2022-03-24 17:07                       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2022-03-24 19:26                         ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-24 21:14                           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2022-03-25 10:25                           ` Maxime Bizon
2022-03-25 11:27                             ` Robin Murphy [this message]
2022-03-25 23:38                               ` Halil Pasic
2022-03-26 16:05                                 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2022-03-26 18:38                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-26 22:38                                     ` David Laight
2022-03-26 22:41                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-25 16:25                             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2022-03-25 16:45                               ` Robin Murphy
2022-03-25 18:13                                 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2022-03-25 18:30                             ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-25 19:14                               ` Robin Murphy
2022-03-25 19:21                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-25 19:26                               ` Oleksandr Natalenko
2022-03-25 19:27                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-25 19:35                                   ` Oleksandr Natalenko
2022-03-25 20:37                               ` Johannes Berg
2022-03-25 20:47                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-25 21:13                                   ` Johannes Berg
2022-03-25 21:40                                     ` David Laight
2022-03-25 21:56                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-25 22:41                                       ` David Laight
2022-03-27  3:15                                     ` Halil Pasic
2022-03-28  9:48                                       ` Johannes Berg
2022-03-28  9:50                                         ` Johannes Berg
2022-03-28  9:57                                           ` Johannes Berg
2022-03-27  3:48                           ` Halil Pasic
2022-03-27  5:06                             ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-27  5:21                               ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-27 15:24                                 ` David Laight
2022-03-27 19:23                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-27 20:04                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-27 23:52                                 ` Halil Pasic
2022-03-28  0:30                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-28 12:02                                     ` Halil Pasic
2022-03-27 23:37                               ` Halil Pasic
2022-03-28  0:37                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-25  7:12                         ` Oleksandr Natalenko
2022-03-25  9:21                           ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-03-24 18:31                       ` Halil Pasic
2022-03-25 16:31                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-24 18:02         ` Halil Pasic
2022-03-25 15:25           ` Halil Pasic
2022-03-25 16:23             ` Robin Murphy
2022-03-25 16:32           ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-25 18:15             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2022-03-25 18:42               ` Robin Murphy
2022-03-25 18:46                 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-28  6:37                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-28  8:15                     ` David Laight
2022-03-30 12:11                     ` Halil Pasic
2022-03-24  8:55   ` Oleksandr Natalenko

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