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From: Ed Cogburn <edcogburn@hotpop.com>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: reiser4 vs politics: linux misses out again
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 18:59:54 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <dan077$n4t$1@sea.gmane.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 028601c581a0$cb1f3e20$2800000a@pc365dualp2

cutaway@bellsouth.net wrote:
>
> In reality is it doesn't count.  Users don't care what level of pain is
> involved in producing the products they use.
> 
> Development efforts and results for OS's are always just taken for
> granted.
> 
> BTDT - if you're very lucky, a (very) few non-programming users might
> notice something nice and mention that they noticed a difference.  The 
> majority are still struggling to find the power switch ;->


You no longer have to be a kernel dev to see that there is more to the
resistance to R4 than objective technical issues, anyone with an
understanding of English whose been reading the R4
debates-that-quickly-turn-into-flame-wars the last couple of years here can
see that.  For you guys to continue to suggest otherwise only makes you out
to be the fools, not the "lusers" (which you obviously define as anyone who
isn't a kernel dev).

So be my guest, ignore the message and attack the messenger, I didn't
respond to start yet another flamewar, nor did I really expect much
objectivity anyway, as that's been thrown out the window even in
discussions between developers, e.g. the R4 plugins thread.

If its a fork of the kernel that you really want, so be it.  When it
happens, and given the increasing divergence going on between the
commercial distros and the vanilla kernel, maybe it's already begun, I'll
use the one that isn't afraid of giving new ideas a chance.

Flame away, I'm done.



  reply	other threads:[~2005-07-08 22:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-06-30 12:26 reiser4 vs politics: linux misses out again shevek
2005-06-30  9:44 ` Christopher Warner
2005-06-30 12:45 ` Rik Van Riel
2005-06-30 12:53 ` Richard B. Johnson
2005-06-30 20:21   ` Bill Davidsen
2005-07-01 20:54   ` James Courtier-Dutton
2005-06-30 15:33 ` Jim Crilly
2005-06-30 16:02   ` Markus   Törnqvist
2005-06-30 18:10     ` Jim Crilly
2005-07-02 13:05       ` Ed Cogburn
2005-07-02 14:59         ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-07-03 22:34           ` Ed Cogburn
2005-07-02 21:56         ` Jim Crilly
2005-07-03 23:30           ` Ed Cogburn
2005-07-04  1:13             ` Jim Crilly
2005-07-04  1:25               ` Ed Cogburn
2005-07-04  2:11                 ` Horst von Brand
2005-07-05 19:44                   ` cutaway
2005-07-08 22:59                     ` Ed Cogburn [this message]
2005-07-09  0:26                       ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-07-09  0:39                         ` David Lang
2005-07-09  3:25                           ` Ed Cogburn
2005-07-09 21:40                             ` David Lang
2005-07-10  5:10                             ` Horst von Brand
2005-07-10 12:48                               ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-07-10 16:06                                 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2005-07-10 20:21                                   ` Jim Crilly
2005-07-11  0:01                                     ` Ed Cogburn
2005-07-11  0:13                                       ` David Lang
2005-07-11  0:18                                       ` Jim Crilly
2005-07-11  2:43                                         ` Ed Cogburn
2005-07-11  2:40                                           ` Jim Crilly
2005-07-11 11:09                                       ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-07-11 18:16                                         ` Jim Crilly
2005-07-11 19:07                                           ` Hans Reiser
2005-07-11  1:12                                 ` Hans Reiser
2005-07-11  9:01                               ` Erik Hensema
2005-07-11 18:15                                 ` Horst von Brand
2005-07-11 19:04                                   ` Hans Reiser
2005-07-11 20:40                                   ` Erik Hensema
2005-07-09  7:23                           ` Hans Reiser
2005-07-04  6:50                 ` Jens Axboe
2005-07-04 13:42                   ` Maciej Soltysiak
2005-07-04  1:35             ` Horst von Brand
2005-07-01  4:08 ` Miles Bader
2005-06-30 15:27 Markus   Törnqvist
2005-06-30 22:37 Parag Warudkar
2005-07-01 11:29 ` Richard B. Johnson
2005-07-01 11:43   ` Luigi Genoni
2005-07-01 12:17     ` Richard B. Johnson
2005-07-01 12:30       ` Luigi Genoni
2005-07-01 15:27 arjun kumar
2005-07-01 15:44 ` Artem B. Bityuckiy
2005-07-01 15:55   ` Schneelocke
2005-07-01 15:59     ` arjun kumar
2005-07-01 15:53 Parag Warudkar

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