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From: Alexander Popov <alex.popov@linux.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] Introduce the pkill_on_warn boot parameter
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 21:27:43 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <de96ffec-bbd8-2724-9285-0867cd9a08a0@linux.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210929163143.aa8b70ac9d5cf0b628823370@linux-foundation.org>

On 30.09.2021 02:31, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 22:01:33 +0300 Alexander Popov <alex.popov@linux.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 29.09.2021 21:58, Alexander Popov wrote:
>>> Currently, the Linux kernel provides two types of reaction to kernel
>>> warnings:
>>>  1. Do nothing (by default),
>>>  2. Call panic() if panic_on_warn is set. That's a very strong reaction,
>>>     so panic_on_warn is usually disabled on production systems.
>>>
>>> From a safety point of view, the Linux kernel misses a middle way of
>>> handling kernel warnings:
>>>  - The kernel should stop the activity that provokes a warning,
>>>  - But the kernel should avoid complete denial of service.
>>>
>>> From a security point of view, kernel warning messages provide a lot of
>>> useful information for attackers. Many GNU/Linux distributions allow
>>> unprivileged users to read the kernel log, so attackers use kernel
>>> warning infoleak in vulnerability exploits. See the examples:
>>>   https://a13xp0p0v.github.io/2020/02/15/CVE-2019-18683.html
>>>   https://a13xp0p0v.github.io/2021/02/09/CVE-2021-26708.html
>>>
>>> Let's introduce the pkill_on_warn boot parameter.
>>> If this parameter is set, the kernel kills all threads in a process
>>> that provoked a kernel warning. This behavior is reasonable from a safety
>>> point of view described above. It is also useful for kernel security
>>> hardening because the system kills an exploit process that hits a
>>> kernel warning.
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Alexander Popov <alex.popov@linux.com>
>>
>> This patch was tested using CONFIG_LKDTM.
>> The kernel kills a process that performs this:
>>   echo WARNING > /sys/kernel/debug/provoke-crash/DIRECT
>>
>> If you are fine with this approach, I will prepare a patch adding the
>> pkill_on_warn sysctl.
> 
> Why do we need a boot parameter?  Isn't a sysctl all we need for this
> feature? 

I would say we need both sysctl and boot parameter for pkill_on_warn.
That would be consistent with panic_on_warn, ftrace_dump_on_oops and
oops/panic_on_oops.

> Also, 
> 
> 	if (pkill_on_warn && system_state >= SYSTEM_RUNNING)
> 		do_group_exit(SIGKILL);
> 
> - why do we care about system_state?  An explanatory code comment
>   seems appropriate.
> 
> - do we really want to do this in states > SYSTEM_RUNNING?  If so, why?

A kernel warning may occur at any moment.
I don't have a deep understanding of possible side effects on early boot stages.
So I decided that at least it's safer to avoid interfering before SYSTEM_RUNNING.

Best regards,
Alexander


  reply	other threads:[~2021-09-30 18:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-09-29 18:58 [PATCH] Introduce the pkill_on_warn boot parameter Alexander Popov
2021-09-29 19:01 ` Alexander Popov
2021-09-29 19:49   ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-09-30  9:15     ` Petr Mladek
2021-09-30 15:05       ` Alexander Popov
2021-10-01 12:23         ` Petr Mladek
2021-09-30 16:59       ` Steven Rostedt
2021-10-01 12:09         ` Petr Mladek
2021-09-30 18:28       ` Kees Cook
2021-10-01 19:59       ` Linus Torvalds
2021-10-02 11:41         ` Alexander Popov
2021-10-02 12:13           ` Steven Rostedt
2021-10-02 16:33             ` Alexander Popov
2021-10-02 16:52           ` Linus Torvalds
2021-10-02 21:05             ` Alexander Popov
2021-10-05 19:48               ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-10-06 14:56                 ` Alexander Popov
2021-10-22 17:30                 ` Alexander Popov
2022-07-27 16:17         ` Alexey Khoroshilov
2022-07-27 16:30           ` Jann Horn
2022-07-27 16:43             ` Alexey Khoroshilov
2022-07-27 16:42           ` Linus Torvalds
2022-07-27 17:47             ` Alexey Khoroshilov
2021-09-29 23:31   ` Andrew Morton
2021-09-30 18:27     ` Alexander Popov [this message]
2021-09-30 18:36       ` Kees Cook
2021-09-29 19:03 ` Dave Hansen
2021-09-29 19:47   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-09-29 20:06   ` Kees Cook
2021-09-30 13:55     ` Alexander Popov
2021-09-30 18:20       ` Kees Cook
2021-10-02 18:04 ` Al Viro
2021-10-02 18:31   ` Steven Rostedt

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