[PATCH] Documentation: process: update the list of current LTS

[PATCH] Documentation: process: update the list of current LTS

[Nick Desaulniers]

3.16 was EOL in 2020.
4.4 was EOL in 2022.

5.10 is new in 2020.
5.15 is new in 2021.

We'll see if 6.1 becomes LTS in 2022.

Link: https://lore.kernel.org/stable/514c425e2b4dca71a11b0c669746d3122f7039a5.camel@decadent.org.uk/
Link: https://lore.kernel.org/stable/1643877137240249@kroah.com/
Signed-off-by: Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>
---
 Documentation/process/2.Process.rst | 4 ++--
 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)

diff --git a/Documentation/process/2.Process.rst b/Documentation/process/2.Process.rst
index e05fb1b8f8b6..9ae64376a8d4 100644
--- a/Documentation/process/2.Process.rst
+++ b/Documentation/process/2.Process.rst
@@ -130,12 +130,12 @@ for a longer period.  As of this writing, the current long term kernels
 and their maintainers are:
 
 	======  ================================	=======================
-	3.16	Ben Hutchings				(very long-term kernel)
-	4.4	Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin	(very long-term kernel)
 	4.9	Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin
 	4.14	Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin
 	4.19	Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin
 	5.4	Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin
+	5.10	Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin
+	5.15	Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin
 	======  ================================	=======================
 
 The selection of a kernel for long-term support is purely a matter of a
-- 
2.38.0.413.g74048e4d9e-goog

Re: [PATCH] Documentation: process: update the list of current LTS

[Bagas Sanjaya]

On 10/14/22 01:34, Nick Desaulniers wrote:
> 3.16 was EOL in 2020.
> 4.4 was EOL in 2022.
> 
> 5.10 is new in 2020.
> 5.15 is new in 2021.
> 
> We'll see if 6.1 becomes LTS in 2022.
> 

I think the table should be keep updated whenever new LTS is announced
and oldest LTS become EOL, to be on par with kernel.org homepage.

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Re: [PATCH] Documentation: process: update the list of current LTS

[Greg Kroah-Hartman]

On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 09:24:11AM +0700, Bagas Sanjaya wrote:
> On 10/14/22 01:34, Nick Desaulniers wrote:
> > 3.16 was EOL in 2020.
> > 4.4 was EOL in 2022.
> > 
> > 5.10 is new in 2020.
> > 5.15 is new in 2021.
> > 
> > We'll see if 6.1 becomes LTS in 2022.
> > 
> 
> I think the table should be keep updated whenever new LTS is announced
> and oldest LTS become EOL, to be on par with kernel.org homepage.

Yeah, I didn't even realize this was in the kernel tree, I've just been
keeping kernel.org up to date.

thanks,

greg k-h

Re: [PATCH] Documentation: process: update the list of current LTS

[Greg Kroah-Hartman]

On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 11:34:14AM -0700, Nick Desaulniers wrote:
> 3.16 was EOL in 2020.
> 4.4 was EOL in 2022.
> 
> 5.10 is new in 2020.
> 5.15 is new in 2021.
> 
> We'll see if 6.1 becomes LTS in 2022.
> 
> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/stable/514c425e2b4dca71a11b0c669746d3122f7039a5.camel@decadent.org.uk/
> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/stable/1643877137240249@kroah.com/
> Signed-off-by: Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>
> ---
>  Documentation/process/2.Process.rst | 4 ++--
>  1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/process/2.Process.rst b/Documentation/process/2.Process.rst
> index e05fb1b8f8b6..9ae64376a8d4 100644
> --- a/Documentation/process/2.Process.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/process/2.Process.rst
> @@ -130,12 +130,12 @@ for a longer period.  As of this writing, the current long term kernels
>  and their maintainers are:
>  
>  	======  ================================	=======================
> -	3.16	Ben Hutchings				(very long-term kernel)
> -	4.4	Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin	(very long-term kernel)
>  	4.9	Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin
>  	4.14	Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin
>  	4.19	Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin
>  	5.4	Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin
> +	5.10	Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin
> +	5.15	Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin
>  	======  ================================	=======================
>  
>  The selection of a kernel for long-term support is purely a matter of a


Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>

Re: [PATCH] Documentation: process: update the list of current LTS

[Tyler Hicks]

On 2022-10-14 09:08:10, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 09:24:11AM +0700, Bagas Sanjaya wrote:
> > On 10/14/22 01:34, Nick Desaulniers wrote:
> > > 3.16 was EOL in 2020.
> > > 4.4 was EOL in 2022.
> > > 
> > > 5.10 is new in 2020.
> > > 5.15 is new in 2021.
> > > 
> > > We'll see if 6.1 becomes LTS in 2022.
> > > 
> > 
> > I think the table should be keep updated whenever new LTS is announced
> > and oldest LTS become EOL, to be on par with kernel.org homepage.
> 
> Yeah, I didn't even realize this was in the kernel tree, I've just been
> keeping kernel.org up to date.

How about simply replacing this table with a pointer to
https://www.kernel.org/category/releases.html so that you don't have to
remember to update tables in two different places? It also has the
benefit that the documentation is never stale (missing new LTS
releases), even when someone is reading the documentation from an older
kernel release.

Tyler

> 
> thanks,
> 
> greg k-h

Re: [PATCH] Documentation: process: update the list of current LTS

[Greg Kroah-Hartman]

On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 11:34:26AM -0500, Tyler Hicks wrote:
> On 2022-10-14 09:08:10, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 09:24:11AM +0700, Bagas Sanjaya wrote:
> > > On 10/14/22 01:34, Nick Desaulniers wrote:
> > > > 3.16 was EOL in 2020.
> > > > 4.4 was EOL in 2022.
> > > > 
> > > > 5.10 is new in 2020.
> > > > 5.15 is new in 2021.
> > > > 
> > > > We'll see if 6.1 becomes LTS in 2022.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > I think the table should be keep updated whenever new LTS is announced
> > > and oldest LTS become EOL, to be on par with kernel.org homepage.
> > 
> > Yeah, I didn't even realize this was in the kernel tree, I've just been
> > keeping kernel.org up to date.
> 
> How about simply replacing this table with a pointer to
> https://www.kernel.org/category/releases.html so that you don't have to
> remember to update tables in two different places? It also has the
> benefit that the documentation is never stale (missing new LTS
> releases), even when someone is reading the documentation from an older
> kernel release.

Sure, that makes more sense!

greg k-h

[PATCH v2] Documentation: process: replace outdated LTS table w/ link

[Nick Desaulniers]

The existing table was a bit outdated.

3.16 was EOL in 2020.
4.4 was EOL in 2022.

5.10 is new in 2020.
5.15 is new in 2021.

We'll see if 6.1 becomes LTS in 2022.

Rather than keep this table updated, it does duplicate information from
multiple kernel.org pages. Make one less duplication site that needs to
be updated and simply refer to the kernel.org page on releases.

Suggested-by: Tyler Hicks <code@tyhicks.com>
Suggested-by: Bagas Sanjaya <bagasdotme@gmail.com>
Signed-off-by: Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>
Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
---
Changes v1 -> v2:
* Rather than update table, use a link as per Tyler and Bagas.
* Carry forward GKH's SB tag.

 Documentation/process/2.Process.rst | 15 ++++-----------
 1 file changed, 4 insertions(+), 11 deletions(-)

diff --git a/Documentation/process/2.Process.rst b/Documentation/process/2.Process.rst
index e05fb1b8f8b6..6a919cffcbfd 100644
--- a/Documentation/process/2.Process.rst
+++ b/Documentation/process/2.Process.rst
@@ -126,17 +126,10 @@ than one development cycle past their initial release. So, for example, the
 5.2.21 was the final stable update of the 5.2 release.
 
 Some kernels are designated "long term" kernels; they will receive support
-for a longer period.  As of this writing, the current long term kernels
-and their maintainers are:
-
-	======  ================================	=======================
-	3.16	Ben Hutchings				(very long-term kernel)
-	4.4	Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin	(very long-term kernel)
-	4.9	Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin
-	4.14	Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin
-	4.19	Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin
-	5.4	Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin
-	======  ================================	=======================
+for a longer period.  Please refer to the following link for the list of active
+long term kernel versions and their maintainers:
+
+	https://www.kernel.org/category/releases.html
 
 The selection of a kernel for long-term support is purely a matter of a
 maintainer having the need and the time to maintain that release.  There

base-commit: 9c9155a3509a2ebdb06d77c7a621e9685c802eac
-- 
2.38.0.413.g74048e4d9e-goog

Re: [PATCH v2] Documentation: process: replace outdated LTS table w/ link

[Tyler Hicks]

On 2022-10-14 10:10:40, Nick Desaulniers wrote:
> The existing table was a bit outdated.
> 
> 3.16 was EOL in 2020.
> 4.4 was EOL in 2022.
> 
> 5.10 is new in 2020.
> 5.15 is new in 2021.
> 
> We'll see if 6.1 becomes LTS in 2022.
> 
> Rather than keep this table updated, it does duplicate information from
> multiple kernel.org pages. Make one less duplication site that needs to
> be updated and simply refer to the kernel.org page on releases.
> 
> Suggested-by: Tyler Hicks <code@tyhicks.com>
> Suggested-by: Bagas Sanjaya <bagasdotme@gmail.com>
> Signed-off-by: Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>
> Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
> ---
> Changes v1 -> v2:
> * Rather than update table, use a link as per Tyler and Bagas.
> * Carry forward GKH's SB tag.

Thanks! Was just about to send out that same thing. :)

Reviewed-by: Tyler Hicks (Microsoft) <code@tyhicks.com>

Tyler

> 
>  Documentation/process/2.Process.rst | 15 ++++-----------
>  1 file changed, 4 insertions(+), 11 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/process/2.Process.rst b/Documentation/process/2.Process.rst
> index e05fb1b8f8b6..6a919cffcbfd 100644
> --- a/Documentation/process/2.Process.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/process/2.Process.rst
> @@ -126,17 +126,10 @@ than one development cycle past their initial release. So, for example, the
>  5.2.21 was the final stable update of the 5.2 release.
>  
>  Some kernels are designated "long term" kernels; they will receive support
> -for a longer period.  As of this writing, the current long term kernels
> -and their maintainers are:
> -
> -	======  ================================	=======================
> -	3.16	Ben Hutchings				(very long-term kernel)
> -	4.4	Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin	(very long-term kernel)
> -	4.9	Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin
> -	4.14	Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin
> -	4.19	Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin
> -	5.4	Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin
> -	======  ================================	=======================
> +for a longer period.  Please refer to the following link for the list of active
> +long term kernel versions and their maintainers:
> +
> +	https://www.kernel.org/category/releases.html
>  
>  The selection of a kernel for long-term support is purely a matter of a
>  maintainer having the need and the time to maintain that release.  There
> 
> base-commit: 9c9155a3509a2ebdb06d77c7a621e9685c802eac
> -- 
> 2.38.0.413.g74048e4d9e-goog
> 

Re: [PATCH v2] Documentation: process: replace outdated LTS table w/ link

[Greg Kroah-Hartman]

On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 10:10:40AM -0700, Nick Desaulniers wrote:
> The existing table was a bit outdated.
> 
> 3.16 was EOL in 2020.
> 4.4 was EOL in 2022.
> 
> 5.10 is new in 2020.
> 5.15 is new in 2021.
> 
> We'll see if 6.1 becomes LTS in 2022.
> 
> Rather than keep this table updated, it does duplicate information from
> multiple kernel.org pages. Make one less duplication site that needs to
> be updated and simply refer to the kernel.org page on releases.
> 
> Suggested-by: Tyler Hicks <code@tyhicks.com>
> Suggested-by: Bagas Sanjaya <bagasdotme@gmail.com>
> Signed-off-by: Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>
> Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
> ---
> Changes v1 -> v2:
> * Rather than update table, use a link as per Tyler and Bagas.
> * Carry forward GKH's SB tag.

Looks great, thanks!

Re: [PATCH v2] Documentation: process: replace outdated LTS table w/ link

[Bagas Sanjaya]

On 10/15/22 00:10, Nick Desaulniers wrote:
> The existing table was a bit outdated.
> 
> 3.16 was EOL in 2020.
> 4.4 was EOL in 2022.
> 
> 5.10 is new in 2020.
> 5.15 is new in 2021.
> 
> We'll see if 6.1 becomes LTS in 2022.
> 
> Rather than keep this table updated, it does duplicate information from
> multiple kernel.org pages. Make one less duplication site that needs to
> be updated and simply refer to the kernel.org page on releases.
> 
> Suggested-by: Tyler Hicks <code@tyhicks.com>
> Suggested-by: Bagas Sanjaya <bagasdotme@gmail.com>
> Signed-off-by: Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>
> Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>

Should this patch be backported to all stable releases? I see Cc: stable
on message header, but not in the patch trailer.

>  Some kernels are designated "long term" kernels; they will receive support
> -for a longer period.  As of this writing, the current long term kernels
> -and their maintainers are:
> -
> -	======  ================================	=======================
> -	3.16	Ben Hutchings				(very long-term kernel)
> -	4.4	Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin	(very long-term kernel)
> -	4.9	Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin
> -	4.14	Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin
> -	4.19	Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin
> -	5.4	Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin
> -	======  ================================	=======================
> +for a longer period.  Please refer to the following link for the list of active
> +long term kernel versions and their maintainers:
> +
> +	https://www.kernel.org/category/releases.html
>  

LGTM, thanks.

Reviewed-by: Bagas Sanjaya <bagasdotme@gmail.com>

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Re: [PATCH v2] Documentation: process: replace outdated LTS table w/ link

[Nick Desaulniers]

On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 7:06 PM Bagas Sanjaya <bagasdotme@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 10/15/22 00:10, Nick Desaulniers wrote:
> > The existing table was a bit outdated.
> >
> > 3.16 was EOL in 2020.
> > 4.4 was EOL in 2022.
> >
> > 5.10 is new in 2020.
> > 5.15 is new in 2021.
> >
> > We'll see if 6.1 becomes LTS in 2022.
> >
> > Rather than keep this table updated, it does duplicate information from
> > multiple kernel.org pages. Make one less duplication site that needs to
> > be updated and simply refer to the kernel.org page on releases.
> >
> > Suggested-by: Tyler Hicks <code@tyhicks.com>
> > Suggested-by: Bagas Sanjaya <bagasdotme@gmail.com>
> > Signed-off-by: Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>
> > Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
>
> Should this patch be backported to all stable releases? I see Cc: stable
> on message header, but not in the patch trailer.

I don't think so; unless people read stable versions of the
documentation rather than HEAD?
Perhaps I didn't need to cc stable, but I think that's ok for
notifying people who are interested in stable, not necessarily
strictly for backports?
Either way, thanks again for the reviews+suggestions.

>
> >  Some kernels are designated "long term" kernels; they will receive support
> > -for a longer period.  As of this writing, the current long term kernels
> > -and their maintainers are:
> > -
> > -     ======  ================================        =======================
> > -     3.16    Ben Hutchings                           (very long-term kernel)
> > -     4.4     Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin        (very long-term kernel)
> > -     4.9     Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin
> > -     4.14    Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin
> > -     4.19    Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin
> > -     5.4     Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin
> > -     ======  ================================        =======================
> > +for a longer period.  Please refer to the following link for the list of active
> > +long term kernel versions and their maintainers:
> > +
> > +     https://www.kernel.org/category/releases.html
> >
>
> LGTM, thanks.
>
> Reviewed-by: Bagas Sanjaya <bagasdotme@gmail.com>
>
> --
> An old man doll... just what I always wanted! - Clara
>


-- 
Thanks,
~Nick Desaulniers

Re: [PATCH v2] Documentation: process: replace outdated LTS table w/ link

[Bagas Sanjaya]

On 10/18/22 07:04, Nick Desaulniers wrote:
>> Should this patch be backported to all stable releases? I see Cc: stable
>> on message header, but not in the patch trailer.
> 
> I don't think so; unless people read stable versions of the
> documentation rather than HEAD?
> Perhaps I didn't need to cc stable, but I think that's ok for
> notifying people who are interested in stable, not necessarily
> strictly for backports?
> Either way, thanks again for the reviews+suggestions.
> 

I think most people will simply read the documentation from master branch
(as in docs.kernel.org).

Thanks.

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Re: [PATCH v2] Documentation: process: replace outdated LTS table w/ link

[Jonathan Corbet]

Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com> writes:

> The existing table was a bit outdated.
>
> 3.16 was EOL in 2020.
> 4.4 was EOL in 2022.
>
> 5.10 is new in 2020.
> 5.15 is new in 2021.
>
> We'll see if 6.1 becomes LTS in 2022.
>
> Rather than keep this table updated, it does duplicate information from
> multiple kernel.org pages. Make one less duplication site that needs to
> be updated and simply refer to the kernel.org page on releases.
>
> Suggested-by: Tyler Hicks <code@tyhicks.com>
> Suggested-by: Bagas Sanjaya <bagasdotme@gmail.com>
> Signed-off-by: Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>
> Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>

Applied, thanks.

jon

Re: [PATCH v2] Documentation: process: replace outdated LTS table w/ link

[Bagas Sanjaya]

On 10/19/22 04:44, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
> Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com> writes:
> 
>> The existing table was a bit outdated.
>>
>> 3.16 was EOL in 2020.
>> 4.4 was EOL in 2022.
>>
>> 5.10 is new in 2020.
>> 5.15 is new in 2021.
>>
>> We'll see if 6.1 becomes LTS in 2022.
>>
>> Rather than keep this table updated, it does duplicate information from
>> multiple kernel.org pages. Make one less duplication site that needs to
>> be updated and simply refer to the kernel.org page on releases.
>>
>> Suggested-by: Tyler Hicks <code@tyhicks.com>
>> Suggested-by: Bagas Sanjaya <bagasdotme@gmail.com>
>> Signed-off-by: Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>
>> Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
> 
> Applied, thanks.
> 
> jon

Hi jon,

I noticed extraneous Rule: tag (as carried from kernel test robot [1])
in the applied patch:

commit 394df0afde11fa77c27e671ea91f74cb6440f86e
Author: Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>
Date:   Fri Oct 14 10:10:40 2022 -0700

    Documentation: process: replace outdated LTS table w/ link
    
    The existing table was a bit outdated.
    
    3.16 was EOL in 2020.
    4.4 was EOL in 2022.
    
    5.10 is new in 2020.
    5.15 is new in 2021.
    
    We'll see if 6.1 becomes LTS in 2022.
    
    Rather than keep this table updated, it does duplicate information from
    multiple kernel.org pages. Make one less duplication site that needs to
    be updated and simply refer to the kernel.org page on releases.
    
    Suggested-by: Tyler Hicks <code@tyhicks.com>
    Suggested-by: Bagas Sanjaya <bagasdotme@gmail.com>
    Signed-off-by: Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>
    Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
    Rule: 'Cc: stable@vger.kernel.org' or 'commit <sha1> upstream.'
    Link: https://lore.kernel.org/stable/20221014171040.849726-1-ndesaulniers%40google.com
    Reviewed-by: Tyler Hicks (Microsoft) <code@tyhicks.com>
    Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20221014171040.849726-1-ndesaulniers@google.com
    Signed-off-by: Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>

The tag doesn't have any purposes, so please drop it.

Thanks.

[1]: https://lore.kernel.org/stable/Y0y8IqEr0SIxHNvl@cbc4ca7ce717/

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