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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Cc: Oliver Xymoron <oxymoron@waste.org>,
	Keith Owens <kaos@ocs.com.au>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Persistent module storage [was Linux 2.4 Status / TODO page]
Date: 06 Nov 2000 11:09:41 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m11ywpezve.fsf@frodo.biederman.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0011060800490.15143-100000@imladris.demon.co.uk>
In-Reply-To: David Woodhouse's message of "Mon, 6 Nov 2000 08:02:53 +0000 (GMT)"

David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org> writes:

> The current situation is equivalent to stopping forwarding packets each
> time an app on the local machine decides it wants to send its own packets,
> after a period of inactivity.
> 
> Defaulting to zero on boot is fine. Defaulting to zero after the module
> has been auto-unloaded and auto-loaded again is less good.

Well we don't have auto unload.
And module persistent data for the second load case causes chaos with 
the goal of having exactly the same code in modules and compiled in
kernel code.

It would probably be better (in this case) to increment the module count
when the mixer settings go above 0, and decrement it when the settings 
go totally to 0.  This prevents an unwanted unload.

But for reliability and code simplicity there does not yet seem to
be a case for persistent module storage.

Eric
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  reply	other threads:[~2000-11-06 19:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 145+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-11-03 15:09 Linux 2.4 Status / TODO page (Updated as of 2.4.0-test10) tytso
2000-11-03 15:53 ` Alan Cox
2000-11-03 16:55   ` Andi Kleen
2000-11-03 19:03     ` kuznet
2000-11-03 21:03   ` David Ford
2000-11-03 21:10     ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-03 21:51       ` David Ford
2000-11-04  1:27         ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-04  0:14       ` Alan Cox
2000-11-04  1:24         ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-04  2:37         ` David Ford
2000-11-07 20:21     ` tytso
2000-11-07 19:23       ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-03 21:37   ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-06 19:28     ` Paul Gortmaker
2000-11-07 20:17   ` tytso
2000-11-07 19:21     ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-03 16:09 ` Philipp Rumpf
2000-11-03 18:36 ` loop device hangs Christian van Enckevort
2000-11-03 22:20 ` Linux 2.4 Status / TODO page (Updated as of 2.4.0-test10) Jeff Garzik
2000-11-04  2:32   ` David Ford
2000-11-04 13:12   ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-11-07 20:40   ` tytso
2000-11-04  1:10 ` James Simmons
2000-11-04  1:38   ` Keith Owens
2000-11-11 22:47   ` tytso
2000-11-04 10:43 ` Keith Owens
2000-11-04 20:34   ` Russell King
2000-11-05 23:15   ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-06  0:47     ` Keith Owens
2000-11-06  0:54       ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-06  1:28         ` Persistent module storage [was Linux 2.4 Status / TODO page] Keith Owens
2000-11-06  6:39           ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-06  7:12           ` Oliver Xymoron
2000-11-06  7:17             ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-06  7:25               ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-06  7:29                 ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-06 10:53                 ` Alan Cox
2000-11-06 11:03                   ` Dan Hollis
2000-11-06 11:04                     ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-06 11:35                       ` Alan Cox
2000-11-06 11:36                         ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-06 11:06                     ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-06 11:09                       ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-06 11:20                       ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-06 11:37                       ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-06 11:40                         ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-06 11:47                         ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-06 11:57                           ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-06 12:03                             ` Alan Cox
2000-11-06 13:12                           ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-06 13:38                             ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-06 13:56                             ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-06 13:21                           ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-06 13:35                           ` James A. Sutherland
2000-11-06 17:12                             ` Alan Cox
2000-11-06 17:38                               ` James A. Sutherland
2000-11-06 18:39                               ` Paul Jakma
2000-11-06 21:28                                 ` Alan Cox
2000-11-06 18:55                             ` Dan Hollis
2000-11-07  0:18                               ` James A. Sutherland
2000-11-07  0:27                                 ` Alan Cox
2000-11-07  0:38                                   ` James A. Sutherland
2000-11-07 12:07                                     ` Alan Cox
2000-11-07 12:13                                       ` James A. Sutherland
2000-11-07 12:35                                         ` Alan Cox
2000-11-07 12:49                                           ` James A. Sutherland
2000-11-07 12:52                                             ` Alan Cox
2000-11-07 12:51                                           ` Petko Manolov
2000-11-06 13:40                           ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-06 15:23                             ` James A. Sutherland
2000-11-06 15:34                             ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-06 16:31                               ` Horst von Brand
2000-11-06 17:06                                 ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-06 17:25                                   ` Alon Ziv
2000-11-06 17:34                                     ` Alan Cox
2000-11-06 19:49                                       ` Rogier Wolff
2000-11-06 21:34                                         ` Alan Cox
2000-11-06 17:25                                   ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-06 19:27                                     ` Tim Riker
2000-11-06 21:33                                       ` Alan Cox
2000-11-06 23:57                                   ` Horst von Brand
2000-11-06 17:23                                 ` Alan Cox
2000-11-08 14:56                                   ` Jamie Lokier
2000-11-06 18:00                                 ` Martin Dalecki
2000-11-06 17:29                                   ` Alan Cox
2000-11-06 16:42                               ` James A. Sutherland
2000-11-06 16:57                                 ` Horst von Brand
2000-11-06 17:01                                   ` James A. Sutherland
2000-11-06 23:54                                     ` Horst von Brand
2000-11-07  8:44                                       ` James A. Sutherland
2000-11-06 17:12                                   ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-06 17:45                                     ` James A. Sutherland
2000-11-06 18:37                                     ` Paul Jakma
2000-11-07  0:04                                     ` Horst von Brand
2000-11-06 17:08                               ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-06 17:33                                 ` James A. Sutherland
2000-11-06 23:28                                   ` Gerhard Mack
2000-11-07  0:34                                     ` James A. Sutherland
2000-11-07  0:42                                       ` Gerhard Mack
2000-11-07  0:43                                         ` James A. Sutherland
2000-11-07  1:20                                           ` Gerhard Mack
2000-11-07  8:41                                             ` James A. Sutherland
2000-11-07  1:44                                       ` Horst von Brand
2000-11-06 17:44                                 ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-06 17:53                                   ` James A. Sutherland
2000-11-06 20:46                                     ` Evan Jeffrey
2000-11-07  0:23                                       ` James A. Sutherland
2000-11-06 15:15                         ` Martin Dalecki
2000-11-06 17:19                           ` Alan Cox
2000-11-06 17:34                             ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-06 18:22                               ` Oliver Xymoron
2000-11-06 18:37                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-06 19:09                                   ` Oliver Xymoron
2000-11-07  0:32                                     ` Horst von Brand
2000-11-06 21:19                                   ` Alan Cox
2000-11-06 18:22                         ` Paul Jakma
2000-11-06 21:18                           ` Alan Cox
2000-11-06 23:00                             ` Paul Jakma
2000-11-07  2:11                               ` Keith Owens
2000-11-06  7:28               ` Oliver Xymoron
2000-11-06  7:32                 ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-06  7:45                   ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-06  8:00                     ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-06 13:44                       ` Andrew Pimlott
2000-11-06  7:48                   ` Oliver Xymoron
2000-11-06  8:02                     ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-06 18:09                       ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2000-11-06 21:17                         ` Alan Cox
2000-11-07  9:55                           ` Helge Hafting
2000-11-07  2:09                         ` Keith Owens
2000-11-07 20:36 ` Linux 2.4 Status / TODO page (Updated as of 2.4.0-test10) tytso
     [not found] <3A06A053.56F09ACB@mandrakesoft.com>
2000-11-06 12:29 ` Persistent module storage [was Linux 2.4 Status / TODO page] Keith Owens
2000-11-06 17:07   ` Alan Cox
2000-11-06 18:09     ` Martin Dalecki
2000-11-06 17:30       ` Alan Cox
2000-11-06 17:05 ` Alan Cox
2000-11-06 18:30   ` Paul Jakma
2000-11-06 21:12   ` Martin Mares
2000-11-07  1:17     ` Horst von Brand
2000-11-07  9:59       ` Martin Mares
2000-11-07 10:59     ` Martin Dalecki
2000-11-07 12:27       ` Alan Cox
2000-11-06 22:48 Wayne.Brown
2000-11-07  7:55 David Feuer

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