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From: Andi Kleen <ak@muc.de>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: davem@redhat.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [2.4 PATCH] bugfix: ARP respond on all devices
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:00:09 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3ada5s9iu.fsf@averell.firstfloor.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <mkbE.6Rk.35@gated-at.bofh.it> (Alan Cox's message of "Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:20:18 +0200")

Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> writes:
>
> One thing I agree with you about is that an ARP resolution for an
> address via one path should not block a resolution for it by another
> path since to begin with the two paths may be to different routers
> one of which is down.

ARP resolution is per device. You can have multiple neighbours per
route, either using a multipath route (ip route add ... nexthop 1 nexthop ...)
or using default routing failover for the default route. When there
is an existing neighbour entry (valid or invalid) on a device there
cannot be another one, but there could be one on another device.
The routing code could transparently fail over to other devices using
suitable routes.

One long standing problem however in that code is that there is no 
feedback from ARP to the multipath routing code to trigger failover. 
The only way  currently to get a failover in the multipath route is to run
a daemon with a keepalive protocol (like gated/zebra with OSPF) that does 
ifconfig down for bad interfaces, triggering the route failover.
The kernel already has such a keepalive protocol in the form
of ARP, just it doesn't use the information for routing.

For multiple default routes it should work already transparently
in the kernel, just not for normal multipath routes.

I suspect if someone fixed this (implementing feedback from the
neighbour state engine to the rt cache/FIB code for failover) cleanly
the network maintainers would consider it favourably.

-Andi

       reply	other threads:[~2003-08-19 20:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 164+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <mkbE.6Rk.35@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-08-19 20:00   ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2003-08-19 19:56     ` [2.4 PATCH] bugfix: ARP respond on all devices David S. Miller
2003-08-20 20:10 Richard Underwood
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2003-08-20  8:58 Richard Underwood
2003-08-20 15:23 ` jamal
2003-08-20 15:28   ` jamal
2003-08-19 22:12 Richard Underwood
2003-08-19 22:11 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-19 23:15   ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-08-19 19:00 Richard Underwood
2003-08-19 18:58 ` David S. Miller
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     [not found]     ` <miMw.5yo.31@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-08-19 18:48       ` Andi Kleen
2003-08-19 19:17         ` Daniel Gryniewicz
2003-08-19 19:21           ` Andi Kleen
2003-08-19 19:27             ` Daniel Gryniewicz
2003-08-19 19:24               ` David S. Miller
2003-08-19 19:32               ` Andi Kleen
2003-08-19 19:28                 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-20  9:53                   ` Alan Cox
2003-08-20 15:41                   ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-08-20 15:38                     ` David S. Miller
2003-08-19 19:38           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-08-19 19:37             ` David S. Miller
2003-08-19 20:44               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-08-19 18:16 Richard Underwood
2003-08-19 18:13 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-19 18:30   ` Bas Bloemsaat
2003-08-19 18:05 Richard Underwood
2003-08-19 18:21 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-20 12:52   ` Harley Stenzel
2003-08-19 17:56 Richard Underwood
2003-08-19 17:53 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-19 16:54 Richard Underwood
2003-08-19 16:51 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-19 17:10   ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-08-19 17:07     ` David S. Miller
2003-08-19 19:57       ` bill davidsen
2003-08-19 14:34 Richard Underwood
2003-08-19 14:54 ` Willy Tarreau
2003-08-19 15:07   ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-08-19 15:57     ` David S. Miller
2003-08-19 16:52       ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-08-19 16:53         ` David S. Miller
2003-08-19 17:12           ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-08-19 17:09             ` David S. Miller
2003-08-19 19:04         ` Alan Cox
2003-08-19 19:01           ` David S. Miller
2003-08-19 19:19             ` Bas Bloemsaat
2003-08-19 19:16               ` David S. Miller
2003-08-20  8:49               ` Roman Pletka
2003-08-20 14:15                 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-08-20 14:43                   ` Roman Pletka
2003-08-20 15:55                     ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-08-20 16:47                       ` Roman Pletka
2003-08-19 15:53   ` Bill Davidsen
2003-08-19 16:14     ` David S. Miller
2003-08-19 17:17       ` Bill Davidsen
2003-08-19 19:08 ` Alan Cox
2003-08-19 21:53   ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-08-19 12:02 Richard Underwood
2003-08-19 12:35 ` Alan Cox
2003-08-19 18:30   ` Daniel Gryniewicz
2003-08-19 18:29     ` David S. Miller
2003-08-19 19:12       ` Daniel Gryniewicz
2003-08-19 19:10         ` David S. Miller
2003-08-20 16:49         ` Bill Davidsen
2003-08-20 17:00           ` David S. Miller
2003-08-20 17:44             ` Ben Greear
2003-08-20 17:48               ` David S. Miller
2003-08-20 23:18                 ` Julian Anastasov
2003-08-23 20:50                 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-08-20 19:08             ` Bill Davidsen
2003-08-20 20:07               ` Bas Bloemsaat
2003-08-19 19:42       ` bill davidsen
2003-08-19 13:11 ` Bas Bloemsaat
2003-08-19 15:34   ` David S. Miller
2003-08-19 17:39     ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2003-08-19 17:36       ` David S. Miller
2003-08-19 21:01         ` Harley Stenzel
2003-08-19 16:19   ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-08-19 16:54   ` David S. Miller
2003-08-19 17:15     ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-08-19 16:56 ` David S. Miller
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2003-07-28 20:45                           ` Julien Oster
2003-07-27 20:52 Bas Bloemsaat
2003-07-27 22:12 ` David S. Miller
2003-07-28  2:31   ` Ben Greear
2003-07-28  7:33     ` Bas Bloemsaat
2003-07-27 23:40 ` Carlos Velasco
2003-07-27 23:46   ` David S. Miller
2003-07-27 23:58     ` Carlos Velasco
2003-07-27 23:58       ` David S. Miller
2003-07-28  0:11         ` Carlos Velasco
2003-07-28  0:14           ` David S. Miller
2003-07-28  0:35             ` Carlos Velasco
2003-07-28  0:36               ` David S. Miller
2003-07-28  0:53                 ` Carlos Velasco
2003-07-28  0:55                   ` David S. Miller
2003-07-28  1:23                     ` Carlos Velasco
2003-07-28  1:35                       ` David S. Miller
2003-07-28 10:43                         ` Carlos Velasco
2003-07-28 17:09                           ` Phil Oester
2003-07-28 18:56                             ` Bas Bloemsaat
2003-07-28  4:37                     ` David Lang
2003-07-28  4:39                       ` David S. Miller
2003-07-28 10:49                       ` Carlos Velasco
2003-07-29  2:51     ` Bill Davidsen
2003-07-29  4:48       ` Lamont Granquist
2003-08-04  6:10         ` Pekka Savola
2003-08-17 13:09         ` Carlos Velasco
2003-08-17 13:16           ` Carlos Velasco
2003-08-17 13:41             ` Alan Cox
2003-08-17 13:55               ` Carlos Velasco
2003-08-17 15:12                 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2003-08-17 15:28                 ` Alan Cox
2003-08-17 15:57                   ` Bas Bloemsaat
2003-08-17 15:59                   ` Carlos Velasco
2003-08-17 16:26                     ` Alan Cox
2003-08-17 16:27                       ` Carlos Velasco
2003-08-17 17:24                         ` Alan Cox
2003-08-17 22:48                           ` Willy Tarreau
2003-08-18  5:22                             ` David S. Miller
2003-08-18  6:56                               ` Willy Tarreau
2003-08-18  7:01                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-18  7:29                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2003-08-18  7:43                                     ` Willy Tarreau
2003-08-18  5:31                             ` David S. Miller
2003-08-18 11:39                               ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-08-18 11:44                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-18 12:34                                   ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-08-18 12:30                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-08-18 12:51                                       ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2003-08-18 12:53                                       ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-08-18 12:55                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-08-18 13:17                                           ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-08-18 13:14                                             ` David S. Miller
2003-08-18 14:23                                               ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-08-18 14:19                                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-18 15:46                                                   ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-08-18 13:23                                           ` jamal
2003-08-18 13:21                                             ` David S. Miller
2003-08-18 13:40                                               ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-08-20  6:55                                             ` Bas Bloemsaat
2003-08-18 21:54                                       ` Bill Davidsen
2003-08-18 13:40                                     ` Dominik Kubla
2003-08-18 12:51                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2003-08-18 12:53                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-08-18 14:28                                       ` Willy Tarreau
2003-08-18 14:28                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-08-18 12:08                                 ` Bas Bloemsaat
2003-08-18 12:03                                   ` David S. Miller
2003-08-18 21:32                               ` Bill Davidsen
2003-08-19  3:21                                 ` Ben Greear
2003-08-19 15:22                                   ` David S. Miller
2003-08-19  7:58                                 ` Bas Bloemsaat
2003-08-17 16:51                     ` David T Hollis
2003-08-17 16:45                       ` Carlos Velasco
2003-08-17 17:13                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-08-17 19:46                           ` insecure
2003-08-18  5:11                             ` David S. Miller
2003-08-18  5:29                 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-17 13:59               ` Bas Bloemsaat
2003-08-18 10:48               ` Robert Collier
2003-08-17 13:38           ` Alan Cox

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