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From: Edward Cree <ecree@solarflare.com>
To: Pablo Neira Ayuso <pablo@netfilter.org>
Cc: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>,
	<netdev@vger.kernel.org>, <davem@davemloft.net>,
	<saeedm@mellanox.com>, <leon@kernel.org>,
	<michael.chan@broadcom.com>, <vishal@chelsio.com>,
	<jeffrey.t.kirsher@intel.com>, <idosch@mellanox.com>,
	<aelior@marvell.com>, <peppe.cavallaro@st.com>,
	<alexandre.torgue@st.com>, <jhs@mojatatu.com>,
	<xiyou.wangcong@gmail.com>, <mlxsw@mellanox.com>,
	<netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [patch net-next v2 01/12] flow_offload: Introduce offload of HW stats type
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 21:06:48 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0452cffa-1054-418f-0a5d-8e15afd87969@solarflare.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200303202739.6nwq3ru2vf62j2ek@salvia>

On 03/03/2020 20:27, Pablo Neira Ayuso wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 03, 2020 at 06:55:54PM +0000, Edward Cree wrote:
>> On 02/03/2020 22:49, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
>>> On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 22:46:59 +0100 Pablo Neira Ayuso wrote:
>>>> On Mon, Mar 02, 2020 at 12:18:52PM -0800, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 20:24:37 +0100 Pablo Neira Ayuso wrote:  
>>>>>> It looks to me that you want to restrict the API to tc for no good
>>>>>> _technical_ reason.  
>> The technical reason is that having two ways to do things where one would
>>  suffice means more code to be written, tested, debugged.  So if you want
>>  to add this you need to convince us that the existing way (a) doesn't
>>  meet your needs and (b) can't be extended to cover them.
> One single unified way to express the hardware offload for _every_
> supported frontend is the way to go. The flow_offload API provides a
> framework to model all hardware offloads for each existing front-end.
>
> I understand your motivation might be a specific front-end of your
> choice, that's fair enough.
I think we've misunderstood each other (90% my fault).

When you wrote "restrict the API to tc" I read that as "restrict growth of
 the API for flow offloading" (which I *do* want); I've now re-parsed and
 believe you meant it as "limit the API so that only tc may use it" (which
 is not my desire at all).

Thus, when I spoke of "two ways to do things" I meant that _within_ the
 (unified) flow_offload API there should be a single approach to stats
 (the counters attached to actions), to which levels above and below it
 impedance-match as necessary (e.g. by merging netfilter count actions
 onto the following action as Jakub described), rather than bundling
 two interfaces (tc-style counters and separate counter actions) into
 one API (which would mean that drivers would all need to write code to
 handle both kinds, at no gain of expressiveness).
I was *not* referring to tc and netfilter as the "two different ways", but
 I can see why you read it that way.

I hope that makes sense now.
-ed

  reply	other threads:[~2020-03-03 21:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-02-28 17:24 [patch net-next v2 00/12] net: allow user specify TC action HW stats type Jiri Pirko
2020-02-28 17:24 ` [patch net-next v2 01/12] flow_offload: Introduce offload of " Jiri Pirko
2020-02-29 19:29   ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2020-03-01  8:44     ` Jiri Pirko
2020-03-02 13:20       ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2020-03-02 13:58         ` Jiri Pirko
2020-03-02 16:29         ` Edward Cree
2020-03-02 19:24           ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2020-03-02 20:18             ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-03-02 21:46               ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2020-03-02 22:49                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-03-03 17:25                   ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2020-03-03 19:34                     ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-03-03 18:55                   ` Edward Cree
2020-03-03 19:26                     ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-03-03 20:27                     ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2020-03-03 21:06                       ` Edward Cree [this message]
2020-03-03 21:25                         ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2020-03-03 19:13   ` Edward Cree
2020-03-04 14:18     ` Jiri Pirko
2020-02-28 17:24 ` [patch net-next v2 02/12] ocelot_flower: use flow_offload_has_one_action() helper Jiri Pirko
2020-02-29  0:50   ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-02-28 17:24 ` [patch net-next v2 03/12] flow_offload: check for basic action hw stats type Jiri Pirko
2020-02-28 19:40   ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-02-29  7:40     ` Jiri Pirko
2020-02-29 19:18       ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-03-01  9:00         ` Jiri Pirko
2020-03-02 19:33           ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-03-03 11:46             ` Jiri Pirko
2020-02-28 17:24 ` [patch net-next v2 04/12] mlx5: en_tc: Do not allow mixing HW stats types for actions Jiri Pirko
2020-02-28 17:24 ` [patch net-next v2 05/12] mlxsw: spectrum_flower: " Jiri Pirko
2020-02-28 17:24 ` [patch net-next v2 06/12] mlx5: restrict supported HW stats type to "any" Jiri Pirko
2020-02-28 17:25 ` [patch net-next v2 07/12] mlxsw: " Jiri Pirko
2020-02-28 17:25 ` [patch net-next v2 08/12] flow_offload: introduce "immediate" HW stats type and allow it in mlxsw Jiri Pirko
2020-02-29 19:32   ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2020-03-01  8:47     ` Jiri Pirko
2020-03-02 13:23       ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2020-03-02 13:59         ` Jiri Pirko
2020-02-28 17:25 ` [patch net-next v2 09/12] flow_offload: introduce "delayed" HW stats type and allow it in mlx5 Jiri Pirko
2020-02-28 17:25 ` [patch net-next v2 10/12] mlxsw: spectrum_acl: Ask device for rule stats only if counter was created Jiri Pirko
2020-02-28 17:25 ` [patch net-next v2 11/12] flow_offload: introduce "disabled" HW stats type and allow it in mlxsw Jiri Pirko
2020-02-28 17:25 ` [patch net-next v2 12/12] sched: act: allow user to specify type of HW stats for a filter Jiri Pirko
2020-02-28 19:59   ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-02-29  7:52     ` Jiri Pirko
2020-02-29 20:14       ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-03-01  8:57         ` Jiri Pirko
2020-03-02 19:39           ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-03-03 13:20             ` Jiri Pirko
2020-03-03 19:48               ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-03-04  8:15                 ` Jiri Pirko
2020-03-03 19:44   ` Jakub Kicinski

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