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From: Yann Ylavic <ylavic.dev@gmail.com>
To: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
Cc: Linux Kernel Network Developers <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>, Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>,
	Tolga Ceylan <tolga.ceylan@gmail.com>,
	Craig Gallek <cgallek@google.com>, Josh Snyder <josh@code406.com>,
	Aaron Conole <aconole@bytheb.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] net: Add SO_REUSEPORT_LISTEN_OFF socket option as drain mode
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2016 00:40:32 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKQ1sVPJoaaf1gRfgYPRygfMFVqk08Q0K74wn6kLHV+vy=8w1w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1458859788.6473.2.camel@edumazet-glaptop3.roam.corp.google.com>

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 11:49 PM, Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 2016-03-24 at 23:40 +0100, Yann Ylavic wrote:
>
>> FWIW, I find:
>>
>>     const struct bpf_insn prog[] = {
>>         /* BPF_MOV64_REG(BPF_REG_6, BPF_REG_1) */
>>         { BPF_ALU64 | BPF_MOV | BPF_X, BPF_REG_6, BPF_REG_1, 0, 0 },
>>         /* BPF_LD_ABS(BPF_W, 0) R0 = (uint32_t)skb[0] */
>>         { BPF_LD | BPF_ABS | BPF_W, 0, 0, 0, 0 },
>>         /* BPF_ALU64_IMM(BPF_MOD, BPF_REG_0, mod) */
>>         { BPF_ALU64 | BPF_MOD | BPF_K, BPF_REG_0, 0, 0, mod },
>>         /* BPF_EXIT_INSN() */
>>         { BPF_JMP | BPF_EXIT, 0, 0, 0, 0 }
>>     };
>> (and all the way to make it run)
>>
>> something quite unintuitive from a web server developper perspective,
>> simply to make SO_REUSEPORT work with forked TCP listeners (probably
>> as it should out of the box)...
>
>
> That is why EBPF has LLVM backend.
>
> Basically you can write your "BPF" program in C, and let llvm convert it
> into EBPF.

I'll learn how to do this to get the best performances from the
server, but having to do so to work around what looks like a defect
(for simple/default SMP configurations at least, no NUMA or clever
CPU-affinity or queuing policy involved) seems odd in the first place.

>From this POV, draining the (ending) listeners is already non obvious
but might be reasonable, (e)BPF sounds really overkill.

But there are surely plenty of good reasons for it, and I won't be
able to dispute your technical arguments in any case ;)

>
> Sure, you still can write BPF manually, as you could write HTTPS server
> in assembly.

OK, I'll take your previous proposal :)

  reply	other threads:[~2016-03-24 23:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-27  0:30 [PATCH 1/1] net: Add SO_REUSEPORT_LISTEN_OFF socket option as drain mode Tolga Ceylan
2015-09-27  1:04 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-09-27  1:37   ` Tolga Ceylan
2015-09-27  1:44 ` Aaron Conole
2015-09-27  2:02   ` Tolga Ceylan
2015-09-27  2:24     ` Eric Dumazet
2015-11-11  5:41       ` Tom Herbert
2015-11-11  6:19         ` Eric Dumazet
2015-11-11 17:05           ` Tom Herbert
2015-11-11 17:23             ` Eric Dumazet
2015-11-11 18:23               ` Tom Herbert
2015-11-11 18:43                 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-11-12  1:09                   ` Eric Dumazet
2015-12-15 16:14                     ` Willy Tarreau
2015-12-15 17:10                       ` Eric Dumazet
2015-12-15 17:43                         ` Willy Tarreau
2015-12-15 18:21                           ` Eric Dumazet
2015-12-15 19:44                             ` Willy Tarreau
2015-12-15 21:21                               ` Eric Dumazet
2015-12-16  7:38                                 ` Willy Tarreau
2015-12-16 16:15                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2015-12-18 16:33                                     ` Josh Snyder
2015-12-18 18:58                                       ` Willy Tarreau
2015-12-19  2:38                                         ` Eric Dumazet
2015-12-19  7:00                                           ` Willy Tarreau
2015-12-21 20:38                                             ` Tom Herbert
2015-12-21 20:41                                               ` Willy Tarreau
2016-03-24  5:10                                                 ` Tolga Ceylan
2016-03-24  6:12                                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2016-03-24 14:13                                                     ` Eric Dumazet
2016-03-24 14:22                                                       ` Willy Tarreau
2016-03-24 14:45                                                         ` Eric Dumazet
2016-03-24 15:30                                                           ` Willy Tarreau
2016-03-24 16:33                                                             ` Eric Dumazet
2016-03-24 16:50                                                               ` Willy Tarreau
2016-03-24 17:01                                                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2016-03-24 17:26                                                                   ` Tom Herbert
2016-03-24 17:55                                                                     ` Daniel Borkmann
2016-03-24 18:20                                                                       ` Tolga Ceylan
2016-03-24 18:24                                                                         ` Willy Tarreau
2016-03-24 18:37                                                                         ` Eric Dumazet
2016-03-24 22:40                                                                       ` Yann Ylavic
2016-03-24 22:49                                                                         ` Eric Dumazet
2016-03-24 23:40                                                                           ` Yann Ylavic [this message]
2016-03-24 23:54                                                                             ` Tom Herbert
2016-03-25  0:01                                                                               ` Yann Ylavic
2016-03-25  5:28                                                                               ` Willy Tarreau
2016-03-25  6:49                                                                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2016-03-25  8:53                                                                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2016-03-25 11:21                                                                                     ` Yann Ylavic
2016-03-25 13:17                                                                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2016-03-25  0:25                                                                           ` David Miller
2016-03-25  0:24                                                                         ` David Miller
2016-03-24 18:00                                                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2016-03-24 18:21                                                                     ` Willy Tarreau
2016-03-24 18:32                                                                     ` Eric Dumazet
2016-03-25 15:29 Craig Gallek
2016-03-25 16:21 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2016-03-25 16:31   ` Craig Gallek
2016-03-25 17:00     ` Eric Dumazet
2016-03-25 18:31       ` Willem de Bruijn

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