From: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
To: Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com>
Cc: "Jens Axboe" <axboe@kernel.dk>,
"Keith Busch" <keith.busch@intel.com>,
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"Benjamin Herrenschmidt" <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
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"Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 04/14] PCI/P2PDMA: Clear ACS P2P flags for all devices behind switches
Date: Tue, 8 May 2018 18:17:33 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180508181733.13cbee8b@w520.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0a0a1782-04b2-c571-63c7-bfff68312946@deltatee.com>
On Tue, 8 May 2018 17:31:48 -0600
Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> wrote:
> On 08/05/18 05:11 PM, Alex Williamson wrote:
> > A runtime, sysfs approach has some benefits here,
> > especially in identifying the device assuming we're ok with leaving
> > the persistence problem to userspace tools. I'm still a little fond of
> > the idea of exposing an acs_flags attribute for devices in sysfs where
> > a write would do a soft unplug and re-add of all affected devices to
> > automatically recreate the proper grouping. Any dynamic change in
> > routing and grouping would require all DMA be re-established anyway and
> > a soft hotplug seems like an elegant way of handling it. Thanks,
>
> This approach sounds like it has a lot more issues to contend with:
>
> For starters, a soft unplug/re-add of all the devices behind a switch is
> going to be difficult if a lot of those devices have had drivers
> installed and their respective resources are now mounted or otherwise in
> use.
>
> Then, do we have to redo a the soft-replace every time we change the ACS
> bit for every downstream port? That could mean you have to do dozens
> soft-replaces before you have all the ACS bits set which means you have
> a storm of drivers being added and removed.
True, anything requiring tweaking multiple downstream ports would
induce a hot-unplug/replug for each. A better sysfs interface would
allow multiple downstream ports to be updated in a single shot.
> This would require some kind of fancy custom setup software that runs at
> just the right time in the boot sequence or a lot of work on the users
> part to unbind all the resources, setup the ACS bits and then rebind
> everything (assuming the soft re-add doesn't rebind it every time you
> adjust one ACS bit). Ugly.
>
> IMO, if we need to do the sysfs approach then we need to be able to
> adjust the groups dynamically in a sensible way and not through the
> large hammer that is soft-replaces. I think this would be great but I
> don't think we will be tackling that with this patch set.
OTOH, I think the only sensible way to dynamically adjust groups is
through hotplug, we cannot have running drivers attached to downstream
endpoints as we're adjusting the routing. Thanks,
Alex
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Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-04-23 23:30 [PATCH v4 00/14] Copy Offload in NVMe Fabrics with P2P PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe
2018-04-23 23:30 ` [PATCH v4 01/14] PCI/P2PDMA: Support peer-to-peer memory Logan Gunthorpe
2018-05-07 23:00 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2018-05-07 23:09 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-04-23 23:30 ` [PATCH v4 02/14] PCI/P2PDMA: Add sysfs group to display p2pmem stats Logan Gunthorpe
2018-04-23 23:30 ` [PATCH v4 03/14] PCI/P2PDMA: Add PCI p2pmem dma mappings to adjust the bus offset Logan Gunthorpe
2018-05-07 23:02 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2018-04-23 23:30 ` [PATCH v4 04/14] PCI/P2PDMA: Clear ACS P2P flags for all devices behind switches Logan Gunthorpe
2018-04-24 3:33 ` Randy Dunlap
2018-05-07 23:13 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2018-05-08 7:17 ` Christian König
2018-05-08 14:25 ` Stephen Bates
2018-05-08 16:37 ` Christian König
2018-05-08 16:27 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-05-08 16:50 ` Christian König
2018-05-08 19:13 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-05-08 19:34 ` Alex Williamson
2018-05-08 19:45 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-05-08 20:13 ` Alex Williamson
2018-05-08 20:19 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-05-08 20:43 ` Alex Williamson
2018-05-08 20:49 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-05-08 21:26 ` Alex Williamson
2018-05-08 21:42 ` Stephen Bates
2018-05-08 22:03 ` Alex Williamson
2018-05-08 22:10 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-05-08 22:25 ` Stephen Bates
2018-05-08 23:11 ` Alex Williamson
2018-05-08 23:31 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-05-09 0:17 ` Alex Williamson [this message]
2018-05-08 22:32 ` Alex Williamson
2018-05-08 23:00 ` Dan Williams
2018-05-08 23:15 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-05-09 12:38 ` Stephen Bates
2018-05-08 22:21 ` Don Dutile
2018-05-09 12:44 ` Stephen Bates
2018-05-09 15:58 ` Don Dutile
2018-05-08 20:50 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-05-08 21:35 ` Stephen Bates
2018-05-09 13:12 ` Stephen Bates
2018-05-09 13:40 ` Christian König
2018-05-09 15:41 ` Stephen Bates
2018-05-09 16:07 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-05-09 16:30 ` Stephen Bates
2018-05-09 17:49 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-05-10 14:20 ` Stephen Bates
2018-05-10 14:29 ` Christian König
2018-05-10 14:59 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-05-10 18:44 ` Stephen Bates
2018-05-09 16:45 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-05-10 12:52 ` Christian König
2018-05-10 14:16 ` Stephen Bates
2018-05-10 14:41 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-05-10 18:41 ` Stephen Bates
2018-05-10 18:59 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-05-10 19:10 ` Alex Williamson
2018-05-10 19:24 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-05-10 16:32 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-05-10 17:11 ` Stephen Bates
2018-05-10 17:15 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-05-11 8:52 ` Christian König
2018-05-11 15:48 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-05-11 21:50 ` Stephen Bates
2018-05-11 22:24 ` Stephen Bates
2018-05-11 22:55 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-05-08 14:31 ` Dan Williams
2018-05-08 14:44 ` Stephen Bates
2018-05-08 21:04 ` Don Dutile
2018-05-08 21:27 ` Stephen Bates
2018-05-08 23:06 ` Don Dutile
2018-05-09 0:01 ` Alex Williamson
2018-05-09 12:35 ` Stephen Bates
2018-05-09 14:44 ` Alex Williamson
2018-05-09 15:52 ` Don Dutile
2018-05-09 15:47 ` Don Dutile
2018-05-09 15:53 ` Don Dutile
2018-04-23 23:30 ` [PATCH v4 05/14] docs-rst: Add a new directory for PCI documentation Logan Gunthorpe
2018-04-23 23:30 ` [PATCH v4 06/14] PCI/P2PDMA: Add P2P DMA driver writer's documentation Logan Gunthorpe
2018-05-07 23:20 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2018-05-22 21:24 ` Randy Dunlap
2018-05-22 21:28 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-04-23 23:30 ` [PATCH v4 07/14] block: Introduce PCI P2P flags for request and request queue Logan Gunthorpe
2018-04-23 23:30 ` [PATCH v4 08/14] IB/core: Ensure we map P2P memory correctly in rdma_rw_ctx_[init|destroy]() Logan Gunthorpe
2018-04-23 23:30 ` [PATCH v4 09/14] nvme-pci: Use PCI p2pmem subsystem to manage the CMB Logan Gunthorpe
2018-04-23 23:30 ` [PATCH v4 10/14] nvme-pci: Add support for P2P memory in requests Logan Gunthorpe
2018-04-23 23:30 ` [PATCH v4 11/14] nvme-pci: Add a quirk for a pseudo CMB Logan Gunthorpe
2018-04-23 23:30 ` [PATCH v4 12/14] nvmet: Introduce helper functions to allocate and free request SGLs Logan Gunthorpe
2018-04-23 23:30 ` [PATCH v4 13/14] nvmet-rdma: Use new SGL alloc/free helper for requests Logan Gunthorpe
2018-04-23 23:30 ` [PATCH v4 14/14] nvmet: Optionally use PCI P2P memory Logan Gunthorpe
2018-05-02 11:51 ` [PATCH v4 00/14] Copy Offload in NVMe Fabrics with P2P PCI Memory Christian König
2018-05-02 15:56 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-05-03 9:05 ` Christian König
2018-05-03 15:59 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-05-03 17:29 ` Christian König
2018-05-03 18:43 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-05-04 14:27 ` Christian König
2018-05-04 15:52 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-05-07 23:23 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2018-05-07 23:34 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-05-08 16:57 ` Alex Williamson
2018-05-08 19:14 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-05-08 21:25 ` Don Dutile
2018-05-08 21:40 ` Alex Williamson
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