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From: Bob Peterson <rpeterso@redhat.com>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Andreas Gruenbacher <agruenba@redhat.com>
Cc: cluster-devel <cluster-devel@redhat.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Steven Whitehouse <swhiteho@redhat.com>,
	ocfs2-devel@oss.oracle.com
Subject: Re: [Ocfs2-devel] [Cluster-devel] [PATCH v6 10/19] gfs2: Introduce flag for glock holder auto-demotion
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2021 11:36:10 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <43cf01f7-1fb5-26a9-bcda-5c9748c6f32e@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YSPHR7EL/ujG0Of7@casper.infradead.org>

On 8/23/21 11:05 AM, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 05:18:12PM +0200, Andreas Gruenbacher wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 10:14 AM Steven Whitehouse <swhiteho@redhat.com> wrote:
>>> If the goal here is just to allow the glock to be held for a longer
>>> period of time, but with occasional interruptions to prevent
>>> starvation, then we have a potential model for this. There is
>>> cond_resched_lock() which does this for spin locks.
>>
>> This isn't an appropriate model for what I'm trying to achieve here.
>> In the cond_resched case, we know at the time of the cond_resched call
>> whether or not we want to schedule. If we do, we want to drop the spin
>> lock, schedule, and then re-acquire the spin lock. In the case we're
>> looking at here, we want to fault in user pages. There is no way of
>> knowing beforehand if the glock we're currently holding will have to
>> be dropped to achieve that. In fact, it will almost never have to be
>> dropped. But if it does, we need to drop it straight away to allow the
>> conflicting locking request to succeed.
> 
> It occurs to me that this is similar to the wound/wait mutexes
> (include/linux/ww_mutex.h & Documentation/locking/ww-mutex-design.rst).
> You want to mark the glock as woundable before faulting, and then discover
> if it was wounded after faulting.  Maybe sharing this terminology will
> aid in understanding?
> 
Hmm. Woundable. I like it.
Andreas and I argued about the terminology but we never found a 
middle-ground. Perhaps this is it. Thanks, Matthew.

Regards,

Bob Peterson


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Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-08-19 19:40 [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v6 00/19] gfs2: Fix mmap + page fault deadlocks Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-19 19:40 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v6 01/19] iov_iter: Fix iov_iter_get_pages{, _alloc} page fault return value Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-19 19:40 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v6 02/19] powerpc/kvm: Fix kvm_use_magic_page Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-19 19:40 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v6 03/19] Turn fault_in_pages_{readable, writeable} into fault_in_{readable, writeable} Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-19 19:40 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v6 04/19] Turn iov_iter_fault_in_readable into fault_in_iov_iter_readable Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-19 19:40 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v6 05/19] iov_iter: Introduce fault_in_iov_iter_writeable Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-19 19:40 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v6 06/19] gfs2: Add wrapper for iomap_file_buffered_write Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-19 19:40 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v6 07/19] gfs2: Clean up function may_grant Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-19 19:40 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v6 08/19] gfs2: Eliminate vestigial HIF_FIRST Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-19 19:40 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v6 09/19] gfs2: Remove redundant check from gfs2_glock_dq Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-19 19:40 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v6 10/19] gfs2: Introduce flag for glock holder auto-demotion Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-20  9:35   ` [Ocfs2-devel] [Cluster-devel] " Steven Whitehouse
2021-08-20 13:11     ` Bob Peterson
2021-08-20 13:41       ` Steven Whitehouse
2021-08-20 15:22       ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-23  8:14         ` Steven Whitehouse
2021-08-23 15:18           ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-23 16:05             ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-08-23 16:36               ` Bob Peterson [this message]
2021-08-23 19:12               ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-24  7:59             ` Steven Whitehouse
2021-08-20 13:17     ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-20 13:47       ` Steven Whitehouse
2021-08-20 14:43         ` Andreas Grünbacher
2021-08-19 19:40 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v6 11/19] gfs2: Move the inode glock locking to gfs2_file_buffered_write Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-19 19:40 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v6 12/19] gfs2: Fix mmap + page fault deadlocks for buffered I/O Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-19 19:40 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v6 13/19] iomap: Fix iomap_dio_rw return value for user copies Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-19 19:40 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v6 14/19] iomap: Support partial direct I/O on user copy failures Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-19 19:40 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v6 15/19] iomap: Add done_before argument to iomap_dio_rw Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-19 19:40 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v6 16/19] gup: Introduce FOLL_NOFAULT flag to disable page faults Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-19 19:41 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v6 17/19] iov_iter: Introduce nofault " Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-19 19:41 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v6 18/19] gfs2: Fix mmap + page fault deadlocks for direct I/O Andreas Gruenbacher
2021-08-19 19:41 ` [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH v6 19/19] gfs2: Eliminate ip->i_gh Andreas Gruenbacher

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