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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Liviu Ionescu <ilg@livius.net>,
	Richard Henderson <richard.henderson@linaro.org>
Cc: "Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	keithp@keithp.com, qemu-arm@nongnu.org,
	"Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: Semihosting, arm, riscv, ppc and common code
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 13:04:20 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1a1cecb5128134e681b9145b9c6bc10a8db00ea9.camel@kernel.crashing.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <C4EE0480-C366-419B-84F1-3BEB794D1598@livius.net>

On Thu, 2020-01-16 at 00:02 +0200, Liviu Ionescu wrote:
> > ... they did have the opportunity to do better, and did not.
> 
> I don't know why you present Arm semihosting as a disaster. It is not
> perfect, but it is functional, and common unit tests use only a small
> subset of the calls.
> 
> And there is no 'window of opportunity', if the RISC-V guys will ever
> want to reinvent the wheel and come with an official 'RISC-V
> semihosting' specs, they can do it at any time, and this will have no
> impact on existing devices, everything will continue to work as
> before, only the debuggers/emulators will need to be upgraded.
> 
> But the only immediate effect such a move will have is that software
> efforts in test frameworks will be increased, to support another
> protocol, while the advantages will be minimal.

I agree, which is also why I want to use the same interface for
powerpc, it will simply make life easier for everybody. The calls
aren't perfect but they do work sufficiently well to be useful and I
haven't yet been convinced that it can't be extended if necessary.

Cheers,
Ben.




  reply	other threads:[~2020-01-16  2:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-01-14  6:25 Semihosting, arm, riscv, ppc and common code Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2020-01-14  7:32 ` Liviu Ionescu
2020-01-14  7:53   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2020-01-14  9:51     ` Alex Bennée
2020-01-15  1:14       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2020-01-15 12:01         ` Alex Bennée
2020-01-15 12:30           ` Liviu Ionescu
2020-01-15 21:28           ` Richard Henderson
2020-01-15 22:02             ` Liviu Ionescu
2020-01-16  2:04               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2020-01-16  7:57                 ` Liviu Ionescu
2020-01-16  6:33           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2020-01-14  9:59 ` Peter Maydell
2020-01-15  1:17   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2020-01-15 13:32     ` Peter Maydell
2020-01-16  2:01       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2020-01-16 11:05         ` Peter Maydell

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