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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: "ehabkost@redhat.com" <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
	Sergio Lopez <slp@redhat.com>,
	"maran.wilson@oracle.com" <maran.wilson@oracle.com>,
	"Montes, Julio" <julio.montes@intel.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"kraxel@redhat.com" <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	"rth@twiddle.net" <rth@twiddle.net>,
	"sgarzare@redhat.com" <sgarzare@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 0/4] Introduce the microvm machine type
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 16:30:44 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190725161646-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6d318abf-4afa-a1dc-a4e8-3a2d0a6de297@redhat.com>

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 05:35:01PM +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> On 25/07/19 16:46, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > Actually, I think I have a better idea.
> > At the moment we just get an exit on these reads and return all-ones.
> > Yes, in theory there could be a UR bit set in a bunch of
> > registers but in practice no one cares about these,
> > and I don't think we implement them.
> > So how about mapping a single page, read-only, and filling it
> > with all-ones?
> 
> Yes, that's nice indeed. :)  But it does have some cost, in terms of
> either number of VMAs or QEMU RSS since the MMCONFIG area is large.
> 
> What breaks if we return all zeroes?  Zero is not a valid vendor ID.
> 
> Paolo

I think I know what you are thinking of doing:
map /dev/zero so we get a single VMA but all mapped to
a single zero pte?

We could start with that, at least as an experiment.
Further:

- we can limit the amount of fragmentation and simply
  unmap everything if we exceed a specific limit:
  with more than X devices it's no longer a lightweight
  VM anyway :)

- we can implement /dev/ones. in fact, we can implement
  /dev/byteXX for each possible value, the cost will
  be only 1M on a 4k page system.
  it might come in handy for e.g. free page hinting:
  at the moment if guest memory is poisoned
  we can not unmap it, with this trick we can
  map it to /dev/byteXX.

Note that the kvm memory array is still fragmented.
Again, we can fallback on disabling the optimization
if there are too many devices.


-- 
MST


  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-07-25 20:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-07-02 12:11 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 0/4] Introduce the microvm machine type Sergio Lopez
2019-07-02 12:11 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 1/4] hw/virtio: Factorize virtio-mmio headers Sergio Lopez
2019-07-25  9:46   ` Liam Merwick
2019-07-25  9:58     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-25 10:03       ` Peter Maydell
2019-07-25 10:36       ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-07-02 12:11 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 2/4] hw/i386: Add an Intel MPTable generator Sergio Lopez
2019-07-02 12:11 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 3/4] hw/i386: Factorize PVH related functions Sergio Lopez
2019-07-23  8:39   ` Liam Merwick
2019-07-02 12:11 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 4/4] hw/i386: Introduce the microvm machine type Sergio Lopez
2019-07-02 13:58   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-07-25 10:47   ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-07-02 15:01 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 0/4] " no-reply
2019-07-02 15:23 ` Peter Maydell
2019-07-02 17:34   ` Sergio Lopez
2019-07-02 18:04     ` Peter Maydell
2019-07-02 22:04       ` Sergio Lopez
2019-07-25  9:59         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-25 10:05           ` Peter Maydell
2019-07-25 10:10             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-25 14:52               ` Sergio Lopez
2019-07-25 10:42             ` Sergio Lopez
2019-07-25 11:23               ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-07-25 12:01                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-07-25 12:10                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-25 13:26                     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-07-25 13:43                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-07-25 13:54                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-25 14:13                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-07-25 14:42                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-25 14:04                         ` Peter Maydell
2019-07-25 14:26                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-07-25 14:35                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-25 14:42                         ` Sergio Lopez
2019-07-25 14:58                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-25 15:01                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-25 15:39                               ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-07-25 17:38                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-26 12:46                                   ` Igor Mammedov
2019-07-25 15:49                               ` Sergio Lopez
2019-07-25 13:48                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-02 15:30 ` no-reply
2019-07-03  9:58 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-07-18 15:21   ` Sergio Lopez
2019-07-19 10:29     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-07-19 13:48       ` Sergio Lopez
2019-07-19 15:09         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-07-19 15:42           ` Montes, Julio
2019-07-23  8:43             ` Sergio Lopez
2019-07-23  9:47               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-07-23 10:01                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-07-24 11:14                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-07-25  9:35                     ` Sergio Lopez
2019-07-25 10:03                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-25 10:55                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-07-25 14:46                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-25 15:35                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-07-25 17:33                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-25 20:30                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2019-07-26  7:57                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-07-26 11:10                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-23 11:30                 ` Stefano Garzarella
2019-07-24 15:23                   ` Stefano Garzarella
2019-08-29  9:02 ` Jing Liu
2019-08-29 15:46   ` Sergio Lopez
2019-08-30  4:53     ` Jing Liu
2019-08-30 14:27       ` Sergio Lopez
2019-09-02  5:43         ` Jing Liu

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