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From: Scott Cheloha <cheloha@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
Cc: Laurent Vivier <lvivier@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>,
	Michael Roth <mdroth@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/2] migration: savevm_state_handler_insert: constant-time element insertion
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 15:48:27 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191120214827.iui5rtwyls3r62ns@rascal.austin.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191021081444.GA2934@work-vm>

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 09:14:44AM +0100, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
> * David Gibson (david@gibson.dropbear.id.au) wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 10:43:52AM +0100, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
> > > * Laurent Vivier (lvivier@redhat.com) wrote:
> > > > On 18/10/2019 10:16, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
> > > > > * Scott Cheloha (cheloha@linux.vnet.ibm.com) wrote:
> > > > >> savevm_state's SaveStateEntry TAILQ is a priority queue.  Priority
> > > > >> sorting is maintained by searching from head to tail for a suitable
> > > > >> insertion spot.  Insertion is thus an O(n) operation.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> If we instead keep track of the head of each priority's subqueue
> > > > >> within that larger queue we can reduce this operation to O(1) time.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> savevm_state_handler_remove() becomes slightly more complex to
> > > > >> accomodate these gains: we need to replace the head of a priority's
> > > > >> subqueue when removing it.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> With O(1) insertion, booting VMs with many SaveStateEntry objects is
> > > > >> more plausible.  For example, a ppc64 VM with maxmem=8T has 40000 such
> > > > >> objects to insert.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Separate from reviewing this patch, I'd like to understand why you've
> > > > > got 40000 objects.  This feels very very wrong and is likely to cause
> > > > > problems to random other bits of qemu as well.
> > > > 
> > > > I think the 40000 objects are the "dr-connectors" that are used to plug
> > > > peripherals (memory, pci card, cpus, ...).
> > > 
> > > Yes, Scott confirmed that in the reply to the previous version.
> > > IMHO nothing in qemu is designed to deal with that many devices/objects
> > > - I'm sure that something other than the migration code is going to
> > > get upset.
> > 
> > It kind of did.  Particularly when there was n^2 and n^3 cubed
> > behaviour in the property stuff we had some ludicrously long startup
> > times (hours) with large maxmem values.
> > 
> > Fwiw, the DRCs for PCI slots, DRCs and PHBs aren't really a problem.
> > The problem is the memory DRCs, there's one for each LMB - each 256MiB
> > chunk of memory (or possible memory).
> > 
> > > Is perhaps the structure wrong somewhere - should there be a single DRC
> > > device that knows about all DRCs?
> > 
> > Maybe.  The tricky bit is how to get there from here without breaking
> > migration or something else along the way.
> 
> Switch on the next machine type version - it doesn't matter if migration
> is incompatible then.

1mo bump.

Is there anything I need to do with this patch in particular to make it suitable
for merging?


  reply	other threads:[~2019-11-20 21:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-10-17 20:59 [PATCH v2 0/2] migration: faster savevm_state_handler_insert() Scott Cheloha
2019-10-17 20:59 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] migration: add savevm_state_handler_remove() Scott Cheloha
2019-12-04 16:43   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-01-08 19:07   ` Juan Quintela
2019-10-17 20:59 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] migration: savevm_state_handler_insert: constant-time element insertion Scott Cheloha
2019-10-18  8:16   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-10-18  8:34     ` Laurent Vivier
2019-10-18  9:43       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-10-18 16:38         ` Michael Roth
2019-10-18 17:26           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-10-21  7:33           ` David Gibson
2019-10-19 10:12         ` David Gibson
2019-10-21  8:14           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-11-20 21:48             ` Scott Cheloha [this message]
2019-12-04 16:49               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-12-04 22:28                 ` David Gibson
2019-12-04 16:47   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert

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